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Old 06-27-2015, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot View Post
What Huggy said.
I am a former submariner turned Navy pilot turned airline pilot. I have only heard of one other guy going the route you are considering, and he was a Trident CO who retired as an O-6 in the late 90's. He flew for SKW for a number of years, not sure if he is even still doing it. He did it because it was a great retirement job. He was making 70 grand a year in retirement, had his affairs in order, was an empty nester, and just wanted the travel benefits and some pay while flying a minimal schedule and traveling around.
You CAN do it. It will be much less punishing than nuke school and the nuke officer pipeline that you are accustomed to. I just don't know why you would want to when you will have so many other folks willing to hire you and pay you well for the skills and experience you already have vs. starting over from scratch in a career field that is designed for 22 year olds willing to starve for a while.
My advice? Use that gi bill for flight training if you want to, get a job that allows you to buy your own airplane, and fly for yourself on the weekends. Unless you have a decade to burn and don't like money, this really isn't a great career to start from scratch in.
I'd love to hear your story!

And of course, the same goes to the original poster, Tshugart. Subs fascinate me. Thanks for your service.
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Old 06-27-2015, 07:27 PM
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In summary, I am considering forgoing a very cozy retirement to retire a bit earlier (for less money) and take a monster pay cut to fly airplanes for a living. Am I crazy? (my wife thinks so, but says that she'll support me)

Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!

Yes, you are certainly crazy, but don't tell the Navy because I believe they would probably want you off your boat, pronto.

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(my wife thinks so, but says that she'll support me)
Talk is cheap. Ask any group of pilots, especially airline pilots if they're still with the woman who vowed to support their dream of flying for a living. Bet it would be a real eye-opener.

My advice would be: stay in until they kick your butt out; it'll help your military retirement; it'll help the country to remain strong; you'll continue to get much satisfaction from doing a job that could only be done by a very select few, and obviously doing it well; it'll allow the Navy to not have to train your replacement for a while; it'll save you from the frustration of cow-towing to someone who probably shouldn't even be polishing your boots (flak vest installed, cleared in hot. Then when you do finally retire, go out and either buy yourself an airplane, or better yet, join a flying club and accrue your hours there, always remembering that if it flys, floats, or *****, it's cheaper to rent. And finally remember that chicks dig guys in those "fa***ty white uniforms." (A direct quote from that legendary warrior, Colonel Nathan R. Jessep.)

All that said, Best of luck with your decision. It's a tough one, but you've got your sierra together.

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Old 06-28-2015, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by block30 View Post
I'd love to hear your story!



And of course, the same goes to the original poster, Tshugart. Subs fascinate me. Thanks for your service.

It's a lot less glamorous than it sounds. I went the enlisted route because I was a knucklehead when I first graduated high school. I got my sh!t together, finally, and through hard work and mostly luck got where I am now.
As I tell my kids, "I scrubbed a lot of toilets to get here".
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Old 06-28-2015, 08:58 AM
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As a mid-career mil pilot, and a private aircraft owner, not only no, but HELL no I wouldn't do it OP. Not at your age and life stage. Flying transport category airplanes is overrated anyways. Doing it for no money is even more so. Recreational aviation would serve you well in military retirement. Plenty of ancillary aviation jobs that keep you flying, perhaps even small turbine equipment on a part 91 (or select 135 outfit) basis.

Again, I'm an O-3 with a wife and kid, and I own a piper Arrow outright. I foresee the ability to upgrade to true 3 mile/minute airplanes on an O-5 salary without upsetting my ability to provide for my son, even if my wife were to delay her entry into the workforce beyond her current school timeline. Your situation is much better. As Huggy pointed out, there is a WORLD of enthusiastic general aviation out there. Aerobatic piston airplanes to twin engine coast-to-coast in a day cruisers, to everything in between. Flying for money turns the job into a grind real quick. I've never felt that way when I fire up my Arrow with my family in tow.

It truly is a young man's career, especially with the self-imposed decade of poverty all entrants accept. Your time is more valuable than that, at least I would feel that way if I was in your shoes. I love flying planes, but I would never work for a regional. Even at my level, I believe my time is more valuable than that. If that means not flying for money, I'm fine with that. Affording private aviation has ironically allowed me the ability of not considering professional aviation as the only tolerable avenue for primary breadwinner income in my life.

Good luck to you.
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As a former 3rd class STS, then Naval Aviator (A-7) and finally a 30 yr. Airline Pilot, I can tell you, your current and future career in the Navy is SO much more rewarding. As much I have had a great aviation career, I can't tell you how many times I would have liked to have been the CO of a aircraft carrier. There is much more opportunity for you to make a lot more money, spend time with your family and be proud of your Naval Service in the Civilian community. Like those above have said, flying is an addiction. Many Naval bases have great flying clubs or buy your own plane. Timeshare is also an option. Enjoy your retirement. It goes by in a hurry.
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Old 06-29-2015, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot View Post
It's a lot less glamorous than it sounds. I went the enlisted route because I was a knucklehead when I first graduated high school. I got my sh!t together, finally, and through hard work and mostly luck got where I am now.
As I tell my kids, "I scrubbed a lot of toilets to get here".
I think that story is awesome! To go from active duty enlisted to officer, and get a pilot slot....that is an accomplishment!
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Old 06-29-2015, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot View Post
It's a lot less glamorous than it sounds. I went the enlisted route because I was a knucklehead when I first graduated high school. I got my sh!t together, finally, and through hard work and mostly luck got where I am now.
As I tell my kids, "I scrubbed a lot of toilets to get here".
Don't forget that as a pilot you may still have to scrub those toilets.
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Old 06-30-2015, 11:39 AM
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You are considering throwing away all your naval experience plus the benefits of having a top secret clearance. I would stay in as long as possible and then pick up a masters degree in Naval Architecture to compliment your mechnical engineering degree (not that it is really necessary). You are looking at having a very productive second career for yourself and your family by staying in the marine career field. With the quality of military leadership at the national level I would also look at your wife getting out of active duty and into the reserves as soon as she can.
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Old 06-30-2015, 11:51 AM
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As an addition, a member of my reserve unit was an 1120, went into civil aviation and now flies for United. He is close to high year tenure as an O-5 and has remained active in the SFRC since his departure from AD.
I know that guy.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
I know that guy.

This seems to happen a lot in this forum.


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