F-35 1v1, better bring a Viper instead
07-03-2015, 11:34 AM
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F-35 1v1, better bring a Viper instead
F-35 fighter makers leap to its defence after it loses dogfight to 1970s jet - Telegraph
This seems oddly familiar...
Source article.
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/tes...ht-cdb9d11a875
All of this dovetails with the rumors coming from guys actually flying the thing. I'm sure a fight with a Flanker or Fulcrum would go much different.
“[The F-35] did not have the mission systems software to use the sensors that allow the F-35 to see its enemy long before it knows the F-35 is in the area. Second, it did not have the special stealth coating that operational F-35s have that make them virtually invisible to radar,” the statement said.
Source article.
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/tes...ht-cdb9d11a875
The F-35 was flying “clean,” with no weapons in its bomb bay or under its wings and fuselage. The F-16, by contrast, was hauling two bulky underwing drop tanks, putting the older jet at an aerodynamic disadvantage.
But the JSF’s advantage didn’t actually help in the end. The stealth fighter proved too sluggish to reliably defeat the F-16, even with the F-16 lugging extra fuel tanks. “Even with the limited F-16 target configuration, the F-35A remained at a distinct energy disadvantage for every engagement,” the pilot reported.
The defeated flier’s five-page report is a damning litany of aerodynamic complaints targeting the cumbersome JSF.
“Insufficient pitch rate.” “Energy deficit to the bandit would increase over time.” “The flying qualities in the blended region (20–26 degrees AoA) were not intuitive or favorable.”
But the JSF’s advantage didn’t actually help in the end. The stealth fighter proved too sluggish to reliably defeat the F-16, even with the F-16 lugging extra fuel tanks. “Even with the limited F-16 target configuration, the F-35A remained at a distinct energy disadvantage for every engagement,” the pilot reported.
The defeated flier’s five-page report is a damning litany of aerodynamic complaints targeting the cumbersome JSF.
“Insufficient pitch rate.” “Energy deficit to the bandit would increase over time.” “The flying qualities in the blended region (20–26 degrees AoA) were not intuitive or favorable.”
07-03-2015, 07:41 PM
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This might be blowing things a little out of proportion, I got the idea from the article they were "testing" the F-35 and "unlocking" it's potential, but not allowing it to operate in what might be equivalent to an airbus with no-law flight, so somewhat of a step-by-step "increase" to the flight performance.
07-03-2015, 10:26 PM
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First of all, this aircraft should not be designated as a fighter. The most successful aircraft designs stuck to a singular design point. This can also be said of any aircraft, to include airliners, for that matter. When designers and engineers are forced to stray from a singular design point, such as when tasked with a multi role/multi mission aircraft, individual/desireable qualities often suffer and contribute to the reduced functionality/effectiveness of the unit as a whole; throw politics, committees, Etc. in the mix, and this is what happens. Some of these types of projects are salvagable to various degrees, some not. It's really a shame as lots of good and talented folks get drawn into these deals; folks whose talents can be far better utilized. I'm not going to point any fingers, though it is clear our war fighters, taxpayers and manufacturers employees deserve better, and can do better. We as a country really need to reevaluate our priorities and how we do things...
07-04-2015, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda2
Some of these types of projects are salvagable to various degrees, some not.
07-04-2015, 07:21 AM
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*shrug*
1. Losing a dogfight to a Viper is standard for most airplanes and pilots, there's no shame
2. There are a lot better reasons to dislike the F-35 than this. If this thing ever ends up in a WVR fight then things have already gone horribly wrong. TBH the poor BFM abilities of the JSF really don't bother me.
1. Losing a dogfight to a Viper is standard for most airplanes and pilots, there's no shame
2. There are a lot better reasons to dislike the F-35 than this. If this thing ever ends up in a WVR fight then things have already gone horribly wrong. TBH the poor BFM abilities of the JSF really don't bother me.
07-04-2015, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
*shrug*
1. Losing a dogfight to a Viper is standard for most airplanes and pilots, there's no shame
2. There are a lot better reasons to dislike the F-35 than this. If this thing ever ends up in a WVR fight then things have already gone horribly wrong. TBH the poor BFM abilities of the JSF really don't bother me.
1. Losing a dogfight to a Viper is standard for most airplanes and pilots, there's no shame
2. There are a lot better reasons to dislike the F-35 than this. If this thing ever ends up in a WVR fight then things have already gone horribly wrong. TBH the poor BFM abilities of the JSF really don't bother me.
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