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Old 07-07-2015, 08:42 AM
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I was wondering if anyone here knows if a NATOPS check instructor and Instrument check instructor counts towards the military competency to CFI-I qualification? I was never an official airplane flight instructor though.
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I'm pretty sure you need to be a CFI in order to be a CFII. And to get the CFI comp, you need to have been an IP in either the training command or the rag. It's been a while though, I could be wrong.
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Originally Posted by flyinhawyan View Post
I was wondering if anyone here knows if a NATOPS check instructor and Instrument check instructor counts towards the military competency to CFI-I qualification? I was never an official airplane flight instructor though.
Don't think so, all I've ever seeen about the program dealt with Primary, Intermediate/Advanced or RAG/FRS IPs.
Not even sure if squadron IPs quals count.
Sheppard Air though has some of the best information on the details of the programs - even more so than the FSDOs.
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Don't think so, all I've ever seeen about the program dealt with Primary, Intermediate/Advanced or RAG/FRS IPs.
Not even sure if squadron IPs quals count.
Sheppard Air though has some of the best information on the details of the programs - even more so than the FSDOs.
Thanks. I talked to Sheppard Air, they said either flight instructor or squadron check airman/examiner. They also said to call locla FSDO and confirm with them on the definition of check examiner/airman. My FSDO was familiar with NATOPS check instructor/instrument instructor and said this counts toward CFII. So, I'll take the mil comp test next week and take my paperwork to the FSDO for the CFII cert.
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I'm pretty sure you need to be a CFI in order to be a CFII. And to get the CFI comp, you need to have been an IP in either the training command or the rag. It's been a while though, I could be wrong.
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The three CFI certificates -- CFI-A, CFII, and MEI -- are all independent of one another, and may be earned/awarded in any order.
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Originally Posted by flyinhawyan View Post
Thanks. I talked to Sheppard Air, they said either flight instructor or squadron check airman/examiner. They also said to call locla FSDO and confirm with them on the definition of check examiner/airman. My FSDO was familiar with NATOPS check instructor/instrument instructor and said this counts toward CFII. So, I'll take the mil comp test next week and take my paperwork to the FSDO for the CFII cert.
Good to know.
Did you do NATOPS/Instrument checks in the airplane then?
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR View Post
Good to know.
Did you do NATOPS/Instrument checks in the airplane then?
Yes, but mostly in the sim. I guess, worst case, I'm out $50 for the test prep if the FSDO doesn't accept my paper work. Then I'll continue working on my CFI-A the old fashion way.
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I can speak directly to this...I did it and it worked. All you need is to be a NATOPS or Assistant NATOPS instructor (I'm talkin' Navy here since that's what I know). If you were a helo IP then you'll get a CFI-Rotorcraft. If you were a T-34 or T-6 IP then you'll get CFI for single engine. If multi-engine (C-12, P-3, E-2, etc.) then you'll get the CFMEI/I. I was a rotor guy and a multi engine guy so I got the CFI/CFII for Rotorcraft and Multi Engine. Note: I'm not a CFI for single engine stuff...so I can't take out a buddy who wants me to sign him off in his little single engine piston job. Of course none of that matters because it's just resume fodder...but there you have it.

A note on the CFII...any Naval Aviator (according to the 3710) is (or was back in my day) eligible/qualified to give anybody an instrument check. Wether your squadron or training command actually did it that way is another matter and beside the point. I found the chapter and verse for that and brought that with me to the FSDO since where I flew (Station SAR and C-12's) we regularly gave each other our instrument checks wether an IP or not. It was a moot point as the gist that I got was that if you were qualified to get the military competency for CFI, you got the CFII too. I never had to produce my proof from the 3710, I think they just "get" that. Of note, the MCI (Mil Competency Instructor) test covers subject matter for the whole lot anyway.
So....I walked in with my old NATOPS ANI designation, my ME Instructor designation and MCI test score and walked out with the whole shebang.

One last note - if the FSDO you go to doesn't give you satisfaction, go to another.
I did the Sheppard Air prep for the MCI and would highly recommend it.
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Concur with Alfred E Newman. If you ever gave anyone a Natops check or an instrument check, you are eligible. Just take the test and you're good.
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Concur with Alfred E Newman. If you ever gave anyone a Natops check or an instrument check, you are eligible. Just take the test and you're good.

Not correct.
Being "IFB" (instrument flight board) is not the same.
The FAA instruction states that you had to attend an instructor training course.
Ie. FITU or F-IUT. Which all ANIs do in some form.
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