IFF Motivational Video
#11
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Well....I guess there's always this as well! Its still funny!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4VCV_z52GU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4VCV_z52GU
T-38 A/C is mediocre at best, so students put it full-cold. This makes it ice-up and clog. The technique to thaw the ice is to go full-hot, but the A/C has a nasty habit of the mixing valve getting STUCK there.
The real solution was a) don't put it quite full-cold, and b) don't go full hot, and c) be ready to hold it in MANUAL COLD for 6.9 seconds if it runs away hot!
Satan is screaming "shut the heat off!" Like all Japanese students, they interpret things literally, and he can not find anything labelled "OFF."
Ironically, if he had said "RAM DUMP!", the kid would have thrown one switch, shutting down the A/C, and problem solved.
This happened about 10 years ago, and students still got Friday Nametags with a callsign, which stemmed from a naming ceremony based on funny stories of buffoonery and laced with lots of alcohol.
This kid's nametage was "O-F-F," (With hyphens), pronounced "OHH EFF EFF!"
Satan supposedly was at Air Tran/SWA. I've heard that tape is used at FedEx for a CRM what NOT to do.
#12
We do not do the air-air gun pattern anymore in T-45s...towing the banner died with the T-2. (I believe they actually used .50 cal back in the day too, for extra pucker factor for the tractor pilot)!
We only drop mk-76s (10-20-30deg patterns) and no rockets, but do a simulated gun strafing pass in the 10 deg pattern that is blown off more than actually trained to, mostly because it is the cause of a lot of over stresses when coming off with a "jink" (usually by the IP demo'ing it!)
We only drop mk-76s (10-20-30deg patterns) and no rockets, but do a simulated gun strafing pass in the 10 deg pattern that is blown off more than actually trained to, mostly because it is the cause of a lot of over stresses when coming off with a "jink" (usually by the IP demo'ing it!)
If not - - why the change in patterns from the pipeline to the RAGs.
Any ideas?
#13
We do not do the air-air gun pattern anymore in T-45s...towing the banner died with the T-2. (I believe they actually used .50 cal back in the day too, for extra pucker factor for the tractor pilot)!
We only drop mk-76s (10-20-30deg patterns) and no rockets, but do a simulated gun strafing pass in the 10 deg pattern that is blown off more than actually trained to, mostly because it is the cause of a lot of over stresses when coming off with a "jink" (usually by the IP demo'ing it!)
I really hope that the Navy doesn't follow the AF lead and go to "e-bombing"....nothing beats watching that bomb come off the rack, rolling up on your wing and watching for that puff of smoke after impact...shack!!!!
We only drop mk-76s (10-20-30deg patterns) and no rockets, but do a simulated gun strafing pass in the 10 deg pattern that is blown off more than actually trained to, mostly because it is the cause of a lot of over stresses when coming off with a "jink" (usually by the IP demo'ing it!)
I really hope that the Navy doesn't follow the AF lead and go to "e-bombing"....nothing beats watching that bomb come off the rack, rolling up on your wing and watching for that puff of smoke after impact...shack!!!!
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Can't speak about the fleet patterns, (I grew up an E-2C guy), but the training command has been using the same patterns for decades, although we did add a "pop" attack around 2010ish (and it's a load of fun!).
#15
Squirrel cage isn't a fleet pattern....it was called that then...and was the same gun pattern the T-2 folks flew. Fleet patterns are flat. Pop attacks were always in the syllabus, they were just executed on the road recces as opposed to a dedicated syllabus hop for pop attacks.
#16
Even more fun was the totally not boresigted rockets fired with an Iron sight! The RCO needed extra pay for that!
The best thing about the 38 was it ran out of gas so fast that you had to cram a zillion things into each second of flight. I think I flew a 0.4 hr BFM sortie at HMN once.
My most important Holloman lessons: How to play fussball. How to taxi in formation. How to do a screaming rejoin on departure. How not to eject when the IP flew a tiger pattern. How to sit in a chair and nod for an hour and a half while the IP drew circles in chalk referencing a cassette recorder and being lectured on how worthless I was.
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Squirrel cage isn't a fleet pattern....it was called that then...and was the same gun pattern the T-2 folks flew. Fleet patterns are flat. Pop attacks were always in the syllabus, they were just executed on the road recces as opposed to a dedicated syllabus hop for pop attacks.
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That WAS my squadron!! Pilot training, not IFF, for a Japanese student. The IP's callsign was Satan, even BEFORE this happened.
T-38 A/C is mediocre at best, so students put it full-cold. This makes it ice-up and clog. The technique to thaw the ice is to go full-hot, but the A/C has a nasty habit of the mixing valve getting STUCK there.
The real solution was a) don't put it quite full-cold, and b) don't go full hot, and c) be ready to hold it in MANUAL COLD for 6.9 seconds if it runs away hot!
Satan is screaming "shut the heat off!" Like all Japanese students, they interpret things literally, and he can not find anything labelled "OFF."
Ironically, if he had said "RAM DUMP!", the kid would have thrown one switch, shutting down the A/C, and problem solved.
This happened about 10 years ago, and students still got Friday Nametags with a callsign, which stemmed from a naming ceremony based on funny stories of buffoonery and laced with lots of alcohol.
This kid's nametage was "O-F-F," (With hyphens), pronounced "OHH EFF EFF!"
Satan supposedly was at Air Tran/SWA. I've heard that tape is used at FedEx for a CRM what NOT to do.
T-38 A/C is mediocre at best, so students put it full-cold. This makes it ice-up and clog. The technique to thaw the ice is to go full-hot, but the A/C has a nasty habit of the mixing valve getting STUCK there.
The real solution was a) don't put it quite full-cold, and b) don't go full hot, and c) be ready to hold it in MANUAL COLD for 6.9 seconds if it runs away hot!
Satan is screaming "shut the heat off!" Like all Japanese students, they interpret things literally, and he can not find anything labelled "OFF."
Ironically, if he had said "RAM DUMP!", the kid would have thrown one switch, shutting down the A/C, and problem solved.
This happened about 10 years ago, and students still got Friday Nametags with a callsign, which stemmed from a naming ceremony based on funny stories of buffoonery and laced with lots of alcohol.
This kid's nametage was "O-F-F," (With hyphens), pronounced "OHH EFF EFF!"
Satan supposedly was at Air Tran/SWA. I've heard that tape is used at FedEx for a CRM what NOT to do.
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