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Old 11-14-2015, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 2loud View Post
I have to correct Mike in saying that he should not have used the words "white jets" but I knew what he meant.
On what planet does "white jets" not specifically mean UPT trainers?

It always has since I've been involved with the AF from '91 till now.

IFF jets haven't been painted in blue camo for 15 years, and they're still called "Smurfs" and "blue jets", too.

Originally Posted by 2loud View Post
"B" course refers to the short course (I believe) and he claims to have taught that at UAE. Clear as mud?
The "B" means "basic", meaning the initial qualification/long training course.
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Old 11-14-2015, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR View Post
So again.....

I know I don't know all of the AF lingo; but through my AFROTC time and working with USAF types in both the military and my current job - if any of them said they flew white jets - I would assume they meant they were instructors in SUPT. So when you say that he wasn't a UPT IP? (though white jets sometimes seem to refer to those C-21s too, but usually in a different context)

Are you saying "white jets" doesn't equal SUPT/UPT IP?
Am I getting lost in some differences between SUPT and UPT here that I've lost touch with? Serious question.

I got the part about Luke and the UAE.
Sounds like he was a RTU IP and then even did a little time doing one of the exchange IP programs.

Of course we could just wait for Mike16 to come back and give us the details
"White jets" traditionally means T-xx, in the Air Force period.
Dude, you and I are showing age. TAC, MAC, & SAC, right? TCA, TRSA, ARSA....ahhh, we are freakin' old! Those commands were just transitioning at the start of my career. Back in the day, RTU/FTU (or whatever the hell they call them these days) were run by each command (even during the early AMC & ACC days). Then some general decided that he needed to accrue more brownie points for his next star, decided to transition all "training" into AETC.
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Old 11-14-2015, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Nextlife View Post
I read a lot of people getting butt hurt on many topics on APC, and I'm always surprised how many people don't bother reading before coming to their conclusions.
If some of us had better reading comprehension skills, uhmmm, Mike.... this thread wouldn't be 6 flippin' pages long! The statement, "I washed out of UPT training last year, after the Instrument phase of T-6." says it all. So, obviously the OP can fly an aircraft in the weather, shoot an approach, and land an aircraft safely. He just needs further civilian training and the certificates. Basically, thats' what an airline pilot does. When you upgrade to the left seat, then you become the master of dozing off and having pick of the crew meal.
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Old 11-15-2015, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 2loud View Post
If some of us had better reading comprehension skills, uhmmm, Mike.... this thread wouldn't be 6 flippin' pages long! The statement, "I washed out of UPT training last year, after the Instrument phase of T-6." says it all. So, obviously the OP can fly an aircraft in the weather, shoot an approach, and land an aircraft safely. He just needs further civilian training and the certificates. Basically, thats' what an airline pilot does. When you upgrade to the left seat, then you become the master of dozing off and having pick of the crew meal.
Bingo! We have a winner

I have been in professional aviation since 1988- starting with UPT.

Four of the best pilots I have ever flown with are/were UPT washouts.
All from the late 80's, early 90's time frame.

To the OP- if you're still reading after 6 pages of bull****, hang in there. Keep working hard. You can still make a living as a professional pilot. Especially now.
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Old 11-15-2015, 10:04 AM
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Another question to ask the OP is, if you attain the FAA ratings you desire, will your country accept them or will you have to attain your own nations ratings as well
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Old 11-15-2015, 10:03 PM
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I fly with a very sharp UPT washout at FedEx. He went on to serve as a Marine and then got his ratings on the outside. Outstanding person and pilot.

UPT is about how quickly you learn, not how good you can get. In some cases RTU is similar. But time is money, and at some point you have to draw a line. I think there are some guys I know who should have wings and don't , and vice versa.

But in any case...game ain't over. But you need to be honest about where things went wrong and do all you can to fix them.
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Originally Posted by Vito View Post
Albief15,
I was in the third C-141 that landed in Dharan A day or two after the invasion, The Kuwaiti A-4's were lined up in a neat row as we taxied in. I asked the Saudi/Phillipino ground guy why weren't the Kuwaiti's up fighting against the Iraqii's? He said the Pilots were gone! Heard later a lot of them were in Paris partying. If you were in the 1st FF out of Langley, I may have flown you there if you didn't fly your jet there yourself
Vito,
My understanding is Gen Horner grounded them pretty quickly as he did not like there inability to work with USAF/Coalition technology on command and control issues among many reasons. Some Skyhawks flew attack missions against Iraqi forces from deserted roads after their bases were overrun initially. A total of 24 A-4KUs escaped to Saudi Arabia. The escaped Skyhawks (along with escaped Dassault Mirage F1s) operated as the Free Kuwait Air Force, flying 1,361 sorties once allowed back in the air. One A-4KU was shot down by AAA and the pilot became a POW. Kuwait then bought F-18's. Shelved the A-4's because of the technology issues and inability to effectively integrate with coalition air forces.
Many of these KAF pilots that flew then came to the US and were transitioned to the new F-18's after a USN A-4 syllabus. I flew with these guys in the A-4 before they went to USN Hornet training. Some were talented, some average. Flew one 2 v 1 training mission against 2 KAF pilots as the bandit over the Meridian MOA , I told them they could speak Arabic during the engagements. Pretty funny. The MEM Center guys were amused. Did same with some French and Italian students as well if stellar and above average players.
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