ATP Centerline Thrust Hours?
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The Hornet is at least one example.
The C/Ds with EPEs have the language in the NATOPS for Vmc and I'd bet the E/Fs are the same - but I've not read their NATOPS.
This is where that 'military friendly' FSDO (or DPEs) comes into play.
The one nearest NAS Lemoore knew all about the updates and such but others might not know.
The C/Ds with EPEs have the language in the NATOPS for Vmc and I'd bet the E/Fs are the same - but I've not read their NATOPS.
This is where that 'military friendly' FSDO (or DPEs) comes into play.
The one nearest NAS Lemoore knew all about the updates and such but others might not know.
I brought this up with the San Diego FSDO when I was getting ready for my ATP check. They were adamant that the Hornet fit the bill for centerline thrust (not an issue because I just did the Vmc demo on my check in the Seneca). The other thing to note was that several guys in my squadron had some issues with CFI/I mil comp. The larger issue I see is that the FSDOs are not consistently applying FAA regulations. You know a FSDO has issues when different employees there disagree on an interpretation (for example, I heard gouge to avoid employee X, or to ask for a different guy).
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NATOPS excerpt:
Single engine minimum control speed (Vmc) is defined as the
minimum airspeed required to maintain controlled flight with one engine operating. Vmc airspeeds
were determined at 14° AOA for catapult launches, and 12° AOA for all other circumstances. Vmc
airspeed varies depending on AOA, lateral asymmetry, altitude, and day temperature. For an engine
failure off the catapult, 14° AOA provides the best compromise between arresting rate of descent off
the bow and controllability (increased AOA helps arrest sink but also reduces lateral-directional
controllability). In all cases, once control is established (and sink is stopped), allow the aircraft to
accelerate to on-speed to provide the best flyaway handling qualities. When an engine fails in flaps
HALF or FULL, the first perceptible aircraft motion is a yaw toward the failed engine. The rudders are
the primary flight control surface used to counter the yaw caused by the operating engine. Use rudder
to coordinate flight. Using too little rudder pedal may not counter yaw and may cause controllability
problems. In addition to yawing into the failed engine, the aircraft also tends to roll into the failed
engine. The natural pilot reaction is to oppose the roll with lateral stick, but the resulting differential
aileron deflection generates adverse yaw and increases the demand on the rudders to maintain
directional control. As AOA increases above 10° AOA, the aircraft becomes less directionally stable and
rudder control effectiveness deteriorates. In this instance, the rudders may become saturated (surfaces
against the stops). When saturated, the rudders cannot counter any additional adverse yaw, resulting
in an increase in sideslip and the potential for an adverse yaw departure. If airspeed is too slow, the
rudders cannot generate enough control power to oppose the yaw toward the failed engine.
minimum airspeed required to maintain controlled flight with one engine operating. Vmc airspeeds
were determined at 14° AOA for catapult launches, and 12° AOA for all other circumstances. Vmc
airspeed varies depending on AOA, lateral asymmetry, altitude, and day temperature. For an engine
failure off the catapult, 14° AOA provides the best compromise between arresting rate of descent off
the bow and controllability (increased AOA helps arrest sink but also reduces lateral-directional
controllability). In all cases, once control is established (and sink is stopped), allow the aircraft to
accelerate to on-speed to provide the best flyaway handling qualities. When an engine fails in flaps
HALF or FULL, the first perceptible aircraft motion is a yaw toward the failed engine. The rudders are
the primary flight control surface used to counter the yaw caused by the operating engine. Use rudder
to coordinate flight. Using too little rudder pedal may not counter yaw and may cause controllability
problems. In addition to yawing into the failed engine, the aircraft also tends to roll into the failed
engine. The natural pilot reaction is to oppose the roll with lateral stick, but the resulting differential
aileron deflection generates adverse yaw and increases the demand on the rudders to maintain
directional control. As AOA increases above 10° AOA, the aircraft becomes less directionally stable and
rudder control effectiveness deteriorates. In this instance, the rudders may become saturated (surfaces
against the stops). When saturated, the rudders cannot counter any additional adverse yaw, resulting
in an increase in sideslip and the potential for an adverse yaw departure. If airspeed is too slow, the
rudders cannot generate enough control power to oppose the yaw toward the failed engine.
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Therein lies the potential reason for the discrepancy with the Hornet. Although the FAA is coming around to recognizing AOA, for now (until the revised Part 23 is published), Certification standards require a Vmc airspeed be published in the AFM and indicated by a red radial line on the airspeed indicator.
Ther is a process for the 8900.1 to be revised. Anyone can e-mail the FSIMS librarian with proposed changes...
Ther is a process for the 8900.1 to be revised. Anyone can e-mail the FSIMS librarian with proposed changes...
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As I read it, it said the airspeeds were determined at a given AOA, but it seems to be missing the airspeeds, although "airspeed" is mentioned several times? Is this something they left out on purpose? The point of a Vmc is to assign a minimum airspeed, the talk about AOA doesn't seem as definitive. Is it 10, 12 or 14? Published Vmc airspeed is the FAA requirement, not multiple AOA.
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