Just Fly

In my continuing saga to get my apps filled out (correctly) here's the next round of questions...hope these might help others as well.

1. Does having an ATP automatically confer privileges of all lower class licenses...specifically can I mark I have a Commercial if I have an ATP or do I have to get a Commercial add on?

2. If an airline provides a military hours adjustment (such as an additional .3 per sortie), does that additional time qualify towards meeting company flight hour minimums or does it only count after you meet minimums to make you more competitive?

3. Airline Apps specifically has a category for student/dual time (thus my UPT T-37/38 time is logged). And it appears to be part of my totals. But Pilot Credentials only has PIC, SIC, and Instructor so my total time is ~200 hrs less on their app site. Any thoughts as to why or how to capture that time? Or am I out to lunch and dual time doesn't count towards your totals?

4. What type of flying after UPT would count as dual time? Some have suggested "none" since you are a rated pilot and qualified to log PIC or SIC appropriately, but others have suggested anytime you're receiving instruction, then that's dual. Verbiage in the FARs didn't help me much. Anyone have a rule of thumb that's easy to apply.

5. The Delta req's site specifically states their reqs as:
Minimum of 1,500 hours of total documented flight time.
Minimum of 1,000 hours of fixed wing turboprop or turbofan time.
But when the Airline Apps page showed I wasn't meeting min Delta reqs, I wrote them and they said that the 1500 must be fixed wing (about 1/2 my 2700 hrs is helo). That seems odd, since they specify FW for the 1000 but don't place any stipulations on the 1500. Anyone have inside scoop on the Delta rule?

Much thanks to anyone who is able to throw a couple brain-bytes at these silly questions.

Sliceback

You don't believe their response?

For several, or most, of the majors RW doesn't count towards the requirements.

andrewtac

2. I believe yes, pretty sure it does for SWA. Unsure on others.
3. & 4. I did mine incorrectly but never bothered to fix it. Anytime I didn't sign for the aircraft was SIC (student time), PIC was signing (almost everything after wings). I know others who have done it this way, and I have had not been questioned about it (I do know it is not IAW the correct way, also pilot credentials does not add instructor to pic and airline apps does.)

Toonces

3. Pilot Credentials specifically says that any time that is not PIC should be logged as SIC, and it goes on to state that Dual and Student should be listed as SIC.


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andrewtac

Add to my post, incorrect for airline apps. I kept everything like pilot credentials asks.

CODs4ever

Had no idea. So student time and dual time should be listed as SIC for all three: FDX, AAL, and SWA? Does it clearly state that on the website? In other words all your total time should be divided into PIC and SIC.

Seems like that's a tough one to defend as how do have SIC time in a single-pilot aircraft unless you are meeting definition of safety pilot? Maybe they don't care about the FAR definitions.

Just Fly

@Sliceback: It's not that I don't believe them, I just find it odd that Delta has taken the time to use the specific phrase "fixed wing turboprop or turbofan time" for the 1000 hr requirement but would generalize "total documented flight time" for the 1500 hr requirement if they really meant total documented fixed wing flight time.

@Toonces: i like your answer, but trying to validate. The PC page says, "Flight Hour data is used to match your experience to the minimum qualifications of various hiring air operators. Enter your flight hours for all aircraft types. Enter hours for Pilot in Command (PIC), Second in Command (SIC), Flight Instructor, Flight Hours at night, Flight Hours in the last 12 months, Flight Hours in the last 24 months, the number of landings, and the last time date flown." And some more stuff about mil sortie counts...where did you get the Dual is SIC ref from?

Anyone...no takers on the ATP = Commercial question?

Jughead135

ATP supersedes (aka, "includes") all lesser tickets, and it further implies an Instrument rating; no need (IMO) to list the lower ratings.

Where you can get in trouble is that it doesn't cross categories/classes of aircraft. For fixed-wing military guys, that most often manifests itself as (Airplane) ATP/MEL, with lower (or no) SEL privileges (e.g., my own case: I have an (Airplane) ATP/MEL, with 5 type ratings; but (Airplane) PP/SEL only).

Bottom line, what I did: if you're forced to check boxes, only check the ATP; if you're asked to spell out the whole shebang, list exactly what it says on the back of your ticket.

Toonces

Here it is, straight from the AA side of Pilot Credentials. It's in the Q&A tab.

Q: What are the differences between PIC, SIC and Instructor Time when logged into the Flight Hours?


A: Here are the guidelines:

PIC (Pilot In Command) = Any time you signed for the plane as aircraft commander
or solo including all instructor time.
SIC (Second In Command) = Any time you acted as second in command and/or didn't sign for the plane.
This DOES include dual/student time.
Instructor = Only the time you logged as an instructor, regardless of the time being reported in PIC.
Instructor time is PIC time. It belongs in both columns.



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Just Fly

Toonces and Jughead135...much thanks!