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Old 01-16-2016, 06:34 PM
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I am in the process of creating my IACRA application for my ATP checkride (it'll be done in a PA-44). I currently have a Commercial/Instrument Multi-Engine Land with BE-400/MU-300 type ratings. I've been wanting to bring my Form 8 to the FSDO to add B720/707 type ratings to my Commercial, but never got around to it. From what I understand, my BE-400/MU-300 types will transfer from my Commercial to my ATP. Is there a way to add the B720/707 types to my ATP on the initial application for the ATP or do I have to go to the FDSO afterward?
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Unless the examiner is giving a checkride in the 707 he probably can't do that.

Separate processes, probably can't mix the two and it might create confusion that you don't want. Exception *might* be if the examiner is the same fed from the FSDO who would do your military conversion anyway. But still probably separate paperwork.

I wouldn't put it on the 8710 unless a fed tells you to (unless you have a 707 handy to take for spin after the piper).
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Unless the examiner is giving a checkride in the 707 he probably can't do that.

Separate processes, probably can't mix the two and it might create confusion that you don't want. Exception *might* be if the examiner is the same fed from the FSDO who would do your military conversion anyway. But still probably separate paperwork.

I wouldn't put it on the 8710 unless a fed tells you to (unless you have a 707 handy to take for spin after the piper).
Ok, I'll let that go for another day since it'll probably cause confusion. I was told by the FSDO at one point that all I'd need to do to add the B-720 type was to do an IACRA application and come down with my current Form 8 showing I'm an MP/IP/EP in the KC-135 to get the type. As long as type ratings are in the same category and class airplane on a commercial license, they are elevated to the ATP certificate since the FAA requires all type rating evaluations to be done to ATP practical test standards.
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Yes he absolutely can do that. I would ask him ahead of time to be sure he's willing, but you should be able to take your latest form 8 and he can add the type to your certificate. I and many other kc-10 drivers I know have done just that.
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Yes he absolutely can do that. I would ask him ahead of time to be sure he's willing, but you should be able to take your latest form 8 and he can add the type to your certificate. I and many other kc-10 drivers I know have done just that.
Ok, I'll ask him. Thanks!
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I wasn't clear on this but it matters whether the examiner is a fed or DPE...I think only a fed can grant military equivalency. That's a FSDO function, not an examiner function (in the case of a fed, he is the FSDO).
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I wasn't clear on this but it matters whether the examiner is a fed or DPE...I think only a fed can grant military equivalency. That's a FSDO function, not an examiner function (in the case of a fed, he is the FSDO).
Unless it has changed, a DE can definitely give a type in a military aircraft.
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Unless it has changed, a DE can definitely give a type in a military aircraft.
I did not think that a DPE (ie non-Fed) could grant a type based on military qualification, thought it had to be the FSDO to do the paperwork? At least that's how my FSDO always did it.
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I did not think that a DPE (ie non-Fed) could grant a type based on military qualification, thought it had to be the FSDO to do the paperwork? At least that's how my FSDO always did it.
I got my B-707/B-720 type and ATP in a KC-135R from a DPE, who also was a military pilot. He did all the paperwork.
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I got my B-707/B-720 type and ATP in a KC-135R from a DPE, who also was a military pilot. He did all the paperwork.
Now that's the way it should be! I won't ask you how he evaluated your V1 (S1) cut though!
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