AFRC and Stop Loss
02-11-2016, 04:56 AM
#12
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Can anyone explain the legal authority allowing a 4 star to blanket deny retirements and separations until XX date? They're not calling this stop loss - that still requires presidential approval or delegation to sec def last time I checked, so how does this work? Generals have the authority to deny separation of people with no commitment just because? Gee, I guess I didn't realize how much of an indentured servant I really am.
02-11-2016, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Tanker-driver
Can anyone explain the legal authority allowing a 4 star to blanket deny retirements and separations until XX date? They're not calling this stop loss - that still requires presidential approval or delegation to sec def last time I checked, so how does this work? Generals have the authority to deny separation of people with no commitment just because? Gee, I guess I didn't realize how much of an indentured servant I really am.
There's certainly precedent that services can require long lead times for separations.
But yes, there's always that indentured aspect, that was the deal when we signed up. Do I think it's silly to stop-loss drilling reserves? Yes. That's a reserve manning issue not a national security crisis. IMO if they need us that badly they should put us on orders. Probably somebody doesn't want to explain why his readiness status is "Epic Fail".
02-11-2016, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Tanker-driver
Can anyone explain the legal authority allowing a 4 star to blanket deny retirements and separations until XX date? They're not calling this stop loss - that still requires presidential approval or delegation to sec def last time I checked, so how does this work? Generals have the authority to deny separation of people with no commitment just because? Gee, I guess I didn't realize how much of an indentured servant I really am.
It is just saying voluntary separations not associated with ETS, MSD and HYT won't be approved before 1 Nov. That is not a denial that is just administrative processing. At least you know as opposed to him just telling ARPC to sit on them for months. It also does not affect AGRs. So if you are done and not retiring you file your separation paperwork for 1 Nov and asked to be excused from now til then.
02-11-2016, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Lurking
It is just saying voluntary separations not associated with ETS, MSD and HYT won't be approved before 1 Nov. That is not a denial that is just administrative processing. At least you know as opposed to him just telling ARPC to sit on them for months. It also does not affect AGRs. So if you are done and not retiring you file your separation paperwork for 1 Nov and asked to be excused from now til then.
02-12-2016, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Tanker-driver
So how long can AFRC sit on separation requests before it becomes effectively Stop Loss? Nine months seems a bit excessive. What's to stop them from delaying separations for up to a full fiscal year? I'm sorry but if the standard in corporate America is two weeks notice, anything more than a couple months delay in processing someone's separation request is positively criminal. I wonder if this will affect recruiting: "So, how long will my commitment be?" "Well X years but in reality you can only leave when we say you can". Seems legit.
I usually say this as a joke but you can take a page from the part timer playbook. If you have 20 good years, stop passing Fit Tests. If they are going to hold you then there's no reason why you should be putting any effort into it. Currency, readiness.. I'd blow that off to.
02-12-2016, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Tanker-driver
So how long can AFRC sit on separation requests before it becomes effectively Stop Loss? Nine months seems a bit excessive. What's to stop them from delaying separations for up to a full fiscal year? I'm sorry but if the standard in corporate America is two weeks notice, anything more than a couple months delay in processing someone's separation request is positively criminal. I wonder if this will affect recruiting: "So, how long will my commitment be?" "Well X years but in reality you can only leave when we say you can". Seems legit.
I am confused on your question. For two weeks notice this does not apply to AGR and that has always been EOT or 6 months. They have stopped curtailing AGR tours at most units. We are talking about people getting out of a TR gig before your retirement put in your paperwork and asked to be excused til 1 Nov it is not hard.
