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Old 04-16-2016, 10:36 AM
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If you go to a regional with a flow, lack of a college degree may not be a problem. An acquaintance at PSA is eligible to flow to AA and he doesn't have a bachelors degree. He was debating whether or not to leave PSA and give up the possibility of flowing to AA. He chose to stay put and it looks as if that will work for him.
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Old 04-16-2016, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Gilligan13 View Post
But that's not the whole truth. You could work your 4 10's and one weekend a month. You don't have to pick up extra days. You are doing that voluntarily. You don't have to chase the money but FW pilots are greedy.
Sorry, but 4 10's and one weekend a month is too much for me. I can go make more to work less (and retire with more).
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Old 04-16-2016, 05:06 PM
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Sorry, but 4 10's and one weekend a month is too much for me. I can go make more to work less (and retire with more).
I think our resident troll meant you could/would min run it by not doing any AFTPs and thence give yourself 3 day weekends every week. Which of course, we all understand that: 1) leadership wouldn't allow it (even though it's illegal for them to tell you how to burn your IDTs and civilian credit time) because manning doesn't support that kind of discretion for full-timers and 2) the paycut compared to an AGR would be so dramatic (same job mind you), you'd be better off in the relative insecurity of troughing/bumming, for the same time off. But these are things people on the inside already know, which brings me to my next point..

scoobs, I mean gilligan13, are you a federal civil servant? Or even a pilot, bro? Your suggestion this guy throttle back the part B of his reserve job is a flippant jab and one that either dismisses or is ignorant of the opportunity cost present in that unholy marriage we call the ART job, compared to their AGR and straight TR counterparts. Civil service used to be competitive employment, but after they jacked the FERS funding rate to almost 5% and slashed the benefit from the CSRS days, these days it's just a tread-water post-retirement job for those timing-favored enough to have an AD retirement in their pocket. For everybody else, they're simply too young to give up an AD retirement or airline job income for that kind of paycut. And as it has been illustrated already, there's a lot more than meets the eye when it comes to the effective homesteading time a long-hours job like an ART provides in actuality.
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Old 04-18-2016, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TankerDriver View Post
Sorry, but 4 10's and one weekend a month is too much for me. I can go make more to work less (and retire with more).
Airline plus Guard/reserve is a minimum of 16 days a month. That's if you're lucky to live in base. ART gig is 18 days so we're just splitting hairs.
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Old 04-18-2016, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by hindsight2020 View Post
I think our resident troll meant you could/would min run it by not doing any AFTPs and thence give yourself 3 day weekends every week. Which of course, we all understand that: 1) leadership wouldn't allow it (even though it's illegal for them to tell you how to burn your IDTs and civilian credit time) because manning doesn't support that kind of discretion for full-timers and 2) the paycut compared to an AGR would be so dramatic (same job mind you), you'd be better off in the relative insecurity of troughing/bumming, for the same time off. But these are things people on the inside already know, which brings me to my next point..

scoobs, I mean gilligan13, are you a federal civil servant? Or even a pilot, bro? Your suggestion this guy throttle back the part B of his reserve job is a flippant jab and one that either dismisses or is ignorant of the opportunity cost present in that unholy marriage we call the ART job, compared to their AGR and straight TR counterparts. Civil service used to be competitive employment, but after they jacked the FERS funding rate to almost 5% and slashed the benefit from the CSRS days, these days it's just a tread-water post-retirement job for those timing-favored enough to have an AD retirement in their pocket. For everybody else, they're simply too young to give up an AD retirement or airline job income for that kind of paycut. And as it has been illustrated already, there's a lot more than meets the eye when it comes to the effective homesteading time a long-hours job like an ART provides in actuality.
I've never said that being an Art is better than an Agr position. I can't see how bumming would pay you $100k which an Art makes.
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Old 04-18-2016, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Gilligan13 View Post
Airline plus Guard/reserve is a minimum of 16 days a month. That's if you're lucky to live in base. ART gig is 18 days so we're just splitting hairs.
I don't do 4 - 10's. I do 4 - 9's, 1 - 8, 4 - 9's and a day off. It's 20 days a month for me. Most of the airline guys doing short call reserve barely work and come in and RUTA or AFTP (ground) while on reserve or fly at night after they've been released. Other guys do transcon 5 times a month. 1 night in a hotel and back the next day.

I'd rather get 3x as much per hour to just fly an airplane and go home. I don't know about you, but as I get older, my time becomes more valuable. I'd rather work 76 hours a month at $145 an hour than 170 hours at $50.
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Old 04-19-2016, 10:50 AM
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I don't do 4 - 10's. I do 4 - 9's, 1 - 8, 4 - 9's and a day off. It's 20 days a month for me. Most of the airline guys doing short call reserve barely work and come in and RUTA or AFTP (ground) while on reserve or fly at night after they've been released. Other guys do transcon 5 times a month. 1 night in a hotel and back the next day.

I'd rather get 3x as much per hour to just fly an airplane and go home. I don't know about you, but as I get older, my time becomes more valuable. I'd rather work 76 hours a month at $145 an hour than 170 hours at $50.
Nothing wrong with that. You were smart to live in a city where you don't have to commute either way.
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Old 04-19-2016, 11:24 AM
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Sorry for hijacking the thread. I'm also trying to figure out what the best course of action to take regarding AGR VS. Airlines.
Currently AGR but also a Regional FO with Mesa (on MIL leave). As AGR, I'm flying helos for the Army. The Job is OK and the pay is much better than I'd be making as an FO. I'm home almost every night and work the 4-10s and drill once a month.
Not enough hours to really be competitive with the majors. (2100TT, 950 fixed and 1200 or so rotary from the Army) Should I stay AGR making a comfortable living? Or bite the bullet and return to the regionals and build up my fixed wing time? If I can handle the budget cut, I am leaning towards the regional route and eventually put in for something better as my flight time is more competitive.
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Old 04-19-2016, 11:54 AM
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Sorry for hijacking the thread. I'm also trying to figure out what the best course of action to take regarding AGR VS. Airlines.
Currently AGR but also a Regional FO with Mesa (on MIL leave). As AGR, I'm flying helos for the Army. The Job is OK and the pay is much better than I'd be making as an FO. I'm home almost every night and work the 4-10s and drill once a month.
Not enough hours to really be competitive with the majors. (2100TT, 950 fixed and 1200 or so rotary from the Army) Should I stay AGR making a comfortable living? Or bite the bullet and return to the regionals and build up my fixed wing time? If I can handle the budget cut, I am leaning towards the regional route and eventually put in for something better as my flight time is more competitive.
How many years until you get an AD retirement?
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Old 04-19-2016, 12:18 PM
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How many years until you get an AD retirement?
11 for AD or 4 until Guard.
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