565pilot

What happens if you fail the practical prior to 31 July and can't make up the re-take until after 1 Aug under this "old system"
All your other certificates are still valid?
Of course ...try to pass but what kind of square corner is this ?

hindsight2020

According to the FARs you'd be right screwed. Normally that meant going to re-take the written test. But because of the new rules in effect and since the old written rules are no longer applicable/available, it seems to imply you'd have to go through the CTP kabuki to then take the new ATP-M written, and with it in hand you can now go legally take your re-take ATP practical ride. This is indeed a new paradigm and a real kick in the junk. Since there's few folks in that situation (I am there sort of, with a written that expires at the end of June and planning on doing my practical this month), it hasn't come up. But that would surely suck.

If I were king, this cash racket DPE axe-grinding part 61 piper semenhole haze would get mil-comped yesterday. The entire premise of vetting military applicants in severly underpowered and airline equipment-irrelevant inflight engine shutdown demonstrators under the legal tutelage of instructors with less experience and airmanship than the applicants themselves, is a walking FWA.

PurpleToolBox

Millennial, can you reword that in old person speak?

EAGLEBOY

what about the 3 months? if you pass the oral then dont you have 3 months to complete the checkride? or just because you took the practicum, then the 3 months rule is out of option? if you failed a practicum, you dont need to do the oral portion but just do the portion of what is remaining of the checkright. Right?

Heed

You don't retake the written if you fail the practical. You refly the portion of the practical you failed. As soon as you dork a portion of the practical, the examiner is required to tell you. Most will give you the option of continuing and complete the rest of the practical. Next time you just do the failed maneuver. Otherwise, you complete the failed maneuver plus the remainder of maneuvers you didn't complete.

This is really a question to ask the FSDO.

I could see both answers as valid;

1) You started he practical prior to the deadline, but didn't pass. You are still grandfathered.

2) Same as above, you didn't complete within the deadline and now fall under the new rules.

If you are grandfathered, don't wait until the last minute. CFI and DPE availability is likely going to be an issue as the July deadline approaches. Over 23,000 folks passed the written in 2014. Normal written test rates were 5-8,000 per year.


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hindsight2020

As far as the bolded, I'm aware of that. But here's what you and the the OP are missing: It is physically impossible to have a valid old-school written test after july 31st, 2016. Thence, if you attempt to schedule a re-take on the 25th month of your written test date, you're SOL.

This has nothing special to do with old ATP rules/new ATP rules btw; PPLs run into this problem all the time. They get failed on the PPL practical on the last day of the 24th month of their written, now in order to re-accomplish the practical they have to go through the hassle of getting a written done again. THE PROBLEM is that for said applicant, it's just another 100 bucks or whatever to re-take a mickey mouse test. But in the case of the old rule ATP peeps, that formality suddenly turns into a CTP expense and a new format written. a 5K+ propostion. Whoops. They don't "grandfather" anyone who fails a practical. You don't have a 24 calendar month passing written the day you intend take any practical? you're SOL. The new ATP applicants are just more SOL because the new rules require a 5K fee in order to take the written again.

Heed

Good point, I did miss that.


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