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Old 09-29-2016, 12:26 PM
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The dragging wingtip and over-g protection is great but it sucks when it breaks off at 5 Gz. It does land ok if you enjoy 3/4 stick deflection back seat landings.

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Old 09-29-2016, 12:36 PM
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The dragging wingtip and over-g protection is great but it sucks when it breaks off at 5 Gz. It does land ok if you enjoy 3/4 stick deflection back seat landings.

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That's why they gave you the extra 3/4 stick....

It beats punching out, like the son of Delta's former head of pilot hiring had to do, when the entire wing on one side broke off due to fatigue. This has happened at least 4 times to the T-38; Rhine's kid and fellow IP were the only survivors, to my knowledge.

That is why the wings are now replaced on a cycle/hour basis. We are currently on the 4th or 5th iteration of wing. Each time, they beef it up. Each time, they make it heavier...which exacerbates the problem.

All the new TXs are single-engine. Ever have to shut one down in the T-38? Makes for an interesting philosophical discussion....
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Old 09-29-2016, 12:50 PM
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Plato Jr. took me over to TYS the other night. He is fat and sassy and seems no worse for wear.
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Old 09-29-2016, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by beavf16 View Post
The dragging wingtip and over-g protection is great but it sucks when it breaks off at 5 Gz.
Bean counter solution: put all UPT applicants in the centrifuge and accept only those who black out at 4 Gz!
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Old 09-30-2016, 10:25 AM
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I think AAR on a trainer is a waste of money. You can get good learning through IFF if it is built with the same wingloading as a frontline fighter, minus similar power to save money. That way you can get similar buffet and turn performance. The T-38 does not replicate any of this well and is frankly a lot more sketchy in the traffic pattern than any operational fighter. An optional radar and two hardpoints may not be a bad idea if export sales are a consideration.
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Originally Posted by Billy Pilgrim View Post
I think AAR on a trainer is a waste of money. You can get good learning through IFF if it is built with the same wingloading as a frontline fighter, minus similar power to save money. That way you can get similar buffet and turn performance. The T-38 does not replicate any of this well and is frankly a lot more sketchy in the traffic pattern than any operational fighter. An optional radar and two hardpoints may not be a bad idea if export sales are a consideration.
And you say this with what background? "sketchy"?
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I'm ready for a replacement.



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Flesh Wound?
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Old 10-04-2016, 05:12 PM
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Flesh Wound?

Just a flesh wound.

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Just a flesh wound.

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Old 10-05-2016, 09:21 PM
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And you say this with what background? "sketchy"?
Only flown the 38 in UPT/IFF, but every FAIP I know has 2-3 "I almost died in the wing rock" stories.

I'm not saying that the T-38 is dangerous, it's just way more unforgiving than any fighter.
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