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Old 10-24-2016, 07:01 AM
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I have not gone regional airlines. I can't pay my mortgage on their pay.

Never mind when the ex comes looking for money.

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Weeeelll...

For many folks the reserves saved their bacon after 9/11 (and SARs, and mortgage bubble, and oil spike). When I was an O5 I had people who were senior to me by year-group coming back in as O3's and O4's, some of them just to get the retirement medical bennies their legacy had ditched at the BK drive-through.

A couple things are different now though. If there was ever a time when I would say "you're probably not getting furloughed" this would be it.

Also it's conceivable there could be a big economic crisis which would not involve war. In that case AD recall opportunities would not be available for all comers. But at least you'd some drill pay and medical, if it was bad enough they might eventually downsize SELRES/TR. But unless the fed was just flat broke (or couldn't borrow more money) I don't see the global situation supporting any less of a military.

I didn't participate after I left AD, but I kept running into old guys around town and they all said "are you in the reserves? Gee I wish I had done that and got the retirement". So eventually I signed up and darn glad I did. Different era, YMMV.

Just stuff to think about.
Totally get it, especially based on the last ten years. However when a guy comes off AD and COMNAVRESFOR erases any sanctuary they may have been carrying from an AD IA.... Or when they constantly move the goal posts on guys who've done 3, 4 or more deployments.... Etc etc

Nothing like having an XO, with nary a single campaign ribbon, tell a room full of pilots fresh of AD they need to suck it up, take their MOB like a man, and this is why the reserves exist. The reserves put a lot of pilots in the position of making a desicion to either quit or accept being eligible for MOB, then got all shocked when 40+ dudes quit in the span of a month.

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This is a common planning error a lot of mil guys make, don't back yourself into a financial corner.

Still haven't flicked that booger after all these years?
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Well, having three layoffs in a five year span kind of decimated my savings. As well as having to sell a house at a loss to move to where there was work.

And then I was sued by one of the companies for going to work for a competitor when they had no work.

Plus that Sallie Mae lady wants her money every month. That's still $600 a month fifteen years out of school.

And yes. About once a year I get served with some paperwork with her wanting alimony reinstated or some one time settlement.

I've won in court every time but lawyers aren't cheap.

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This whole situation is something I'm seriously on the fence about too, curious of your guys' thoughts. I'm an O-4 USNR (in a TACRON unit as well) and my 2 year sanctuary from active duty ends this January, making me MOB eligible. I was fortunate enough to get hired at DAL recently and start in December. I'm having a hard time justifying staying in the Reserves with a MOB and 12 months in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Djibouti beckoning any day now. But I'm at 13 years and not sure if walking away now is wise. Probably the only reason I haven't been hit yet is I don't have a TS/SCI. I did 3 deployments on active duty and don't mind doing a MOB, just have no interest in training a bunch of Afghans for a year when I finally have my dream job back home. Is it worth giving up the tricare/supplemental income/retirement to just walk away with 13 years invested?
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This whole situation is something I'm seriously on the fence about too, curious of your guys' thoughts. I'm an O-4 USNR (in a TACRON unit as well) and my 2 year sanctuary from active duty ends this January, making me MOB eligible. I was fortunate enough to get hired at DAL recently and start in December. I'm having a hard time justifying staying in the Reserves with a MOB and 12 months in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Djibouti beckoning any day now. But I'm at 13 years and not sure if walking away now is wise. Probably the only reason I haven't been hit yet is I don't have a TS/SCI. I did 3 deployments on active duty and don't mind doing a MOB, just have no interest in training a bunch of Afghans for a year when I finally have my dream job back home. Is it worth giving up the tricare/supplemental income/retirement to just walk away with 13 years invested?
I did the math, and the answer I came up with was yes, it was worth quitting. That was precluding the idea of telling my wife I had to deploy again, which just sealed the deal.

If you're single, maybe not with DAL. Read your contract but I believe you guys still get b-plan contributions along with profit sharing in a mil leave status.
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Originally Posted by kb8018 View Post
This whole situation is something I'm seriously on the fence about too, curious of your guys' thoughts. I'm an O-4 USNR (in a TACRON unit as well) and my 2 year sanctuary from active duty ends this January, making me MOB eligible. I was fortunate enough to get hired at DAL recently and start in December. I'm having a hard time justifying staying in the Reserves with a MOB and 12 months in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Djibouti beckoning any day now. But I'm at 13 years and not sure if walking away now is wise. Probably the only reason I haven't been hit yet is I don't have a TS/SCI. I did 3 deployments on active duty and don't mind doing a MOB, just have no interest in training a bunch of Afghans for a year when I finally have my dream job back home. Is it worth giving up the tricare/supplemental income/retirement to just walk away with 13 years invested?
You don't have to finish in the Navy reserves. Individual involuntary mobilization laden part time jobs are not your only option to get a reserve "good 20" . Things don't roll like that in the much bigger ang and afrc, fwiw. It may be gospel over there, but it ain't so over here.
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Well, having three layoffs in a five year span kind of decimated my savings. As well as having to sell a house at a loss to move to where there was work.

And then I was sued by one of the companies for going to work for a competitor when they had no work.

Plus that Sallie Mae lady wants her money every month. That's still $600 a month fifteen years out of school.

And yes. About once a year I get served with some paperwork with her wanting alimony reinstated or some one time settlement.

I've won in court every time but lawyers aren't cheap.

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Dude...

I have nothing to offer in the way of help but I just want to say I'm really sorry for what you are going through.

What a ****ty situation.

Stay strong Amigo. I'm sure you will...stay strong.
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Dude...

I have nothing to offer in the way of help but I just want to say I'm really sorry for what you are going through.

What a ****ty situation.

Stay strong Amigo. I'm sure you will...stay strong.
Dude if you knew half of what his old lady had put him through....

E2 you ever take her sister out for a nice evening, charming conversation and a good dinner?
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I did have a one night stand with her sister, a day or two after the divorce decree was final.. She sent her a picture (back before they were called selfies) with a date/time stamp the day after.

It was her sister's idea.. She hated her possibly even more than I did. They haven't spoken since. That was 2007.

That's the closest to revenge I ever got on her. One night with her 10 year younger, 200 pound lighter sister.

And before the morality police pile on, I was 100% faithful when married, she ran off with my boss when I was on an IA Deployment he sent me on. Yes. I actually remained faithful to someone who gained over 200 pounds in four years. TWO. HUNDRED. POUNDS.

Who then cheated on me.

So of course I banged her hotter, younger sister when her sister suggested it. Who wouldn't?
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Part of the IA crunch that is being felt has been touched on a few times above with respect to the total number of IAs and how they are being sustained. NR takes on about 90-95% IAs via MOB while AD takes on the remainder via GSA/IA (depending on the detailing process) What hasn't been touched on yet is the more recent change in policy to take the flying reserves out of the IA/MOB mix as a result of safety concerns. Those designators like 131X/132X who are in the two year window post AD with TS/SCI clearances are identified as they approach the MOB window, that is fully acknowledged by CNRFC N35 and is legal so long as their ready load date (RLD) is post 2 yrs, sucks but its legal. I MOB'd from a flying unit in 2013 when we were still being mobilized as did 3 others from my unit, we all just soaked it up, painfully. I have a different mindset with respect to MOBs now that I have spent the better part of a year in AFG, but certainly understand that to each his/her own as it relates to their own decisions. As a reserve CO, it gives me a bit better perspective when counseling my guys/gals on the MOB process. I don't know if/when we'll get back to Navy flying SelRes getting put back in the mix, I would imagine if/when it does happen we'll see a mass exodus and the same safety issues we saw back in 2012/2013 in various TMS. The difference now is that for every person that leaves a flying billet, there are 4 JOs waiting to apply and get in post AD. Good luck E2C, and thank you!
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