Air Reserve Technician or Bum
11-01-2016, 06:19 AM
#11
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Posts: 523
Originally Posted by C-17 Driver
He's not an AC yet and IP is likely a couple years away which means that he rolls in as a GS-12... the pay will be much less than GS-13. He is better off financially bumming then as an ART for now. Bumming has been and should continue to be pretty good in the C-17 world.
I've done all 3 - Bum to ART (3.5 yrs) to TR. to this day, I remain grateful for the ART position. However, I sure do not miss the paperwork involved to fly in either civilian status or military status. I'm happy to be a f-ART!
But, there's always something to be said about the comfort of a full-time job. That's why I was happy to take the ART position. I would not put my family through the stress of the feast or famine lifestyle.
I've done all 3 - Bum to ART (3.5 yrs) to TR. to this day, I remain grateful for the ART position. However, I sure do not miss the paperwork involved to fly in either civilian status or military status. I'm happy to be a f-ART!
But, there's always something to be said about the comfort of a full-time job. That's why I was happy to take the ART position. I would not put my family through the stress of the feast or famine lifestyle.
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11-01-2016, 08:13 AM
#12
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 187
Originally Posted by TankerDriver
Why bum if you're going to skip the regionals? You can fly your butt off as an ART while getting paid $120k a year. Not sure how the C-17 world is doing for bum life, but in the tanker world, I wouldn't survive at my unit as a bum. Just not enough opportunities to make money and fly aside from spending life in the desert. I'd rather be home almost every night and have a steady paycheck until that major calls me. You can leave whenever you want (which is why they'll never FORCE people to be ART's; it's illegal). Being an ART ain't easy, but you probably wouldn't need to do it more than a few years max. I'd much rather be an ART than living the regional life. Different strokes for different folks.
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Gen Jackson signed a memo in June 2016 FORCING all UFT grads to serve as a GS-9 ART for 4 years. I have seen memo students are signing which takes effect with anyone graduating after June 2016.
Yes, it is illegal, but this is the Air Force we live in now.
11-01-2016, 08:14 AM
#13
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Posts: 187
Originally Posted by AFTrainerGuy
Gen Jackson signed a memo in June 2016 FORCING all UFT grads to serve as a GS-9 ART for 4 years. I have seen memo students are signing which takes effect with anyone graduating after June 2016.
Yes, it is illegal, but this is the Air Force we live in now.
Yes, it is illegal, but this is the Air Force we live in now.
11-01-2016, 11:21 AM
#15
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Posts: 14
Thank you everyone for your replies and opinions. I'm very appreciative that you folks took the time to share this info.
In response to one post, I hope y'all don't feel like I am bragging. I'm very greatful that my squadron thinks enough of me to approach me regarding an ART position. I'm really lucky to have these options available.
It looks like the bum route is more advantageous to my current situation. It gives me a greater flexibility with my schedule and allows for more flying in the end. I think that the ART program would have been a good fit two years ago for me but, at the current ops pace I seem to be making enough to keep our finances in a good spot.
In response to one post, I hope y'all don't feel like I am bragging. I'm very greatful that my squadron thinks enough of me to approach me regarding an ART position. I'm really lucky to have these options available.
It looks like the bum route is more advantageous to my current situation. It gives me a greater flexibility with my schedule and allows for more flying in the end. I think that the ART program would have been a good fit two years ago for me but, at the current ops pace I seem to be making enough to keep our finances in a good spot.
11-01-2016, 01:53 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 523
Originally Posted by Loneranger
Thank you everyone for your replies and opinions. I'm very appreciative that you folks took the time to share this info.
In response to one post, I hope y'all don't feel like I am bragging. I'm very greatful that my squadron thinks enough of me to approach me regarding an ART position. I'm really lucky to have these options available.
It looks like the bum route is more advantageous to my current situation. It gives me a greater flexibility with my schedule and allows for more flying in the end. I think that the ART program would have been a good fit two years ago for me but, at the current ops pace I seem to be making enough to keep our finances in a good spot.
In response to one post, I hope y'all don't feel like I am bragging. I'm very greatful that my squadron thinks enough of me to approach me regarding an ART position. I'm really lucky to have these options available.
It looks like the bum route is more advantageous to my current situation. It gives me a greater flexibility with my schedule and allows for more flying in the end. I think that the ART program would have been a good fit two years ago for me but, at the current ops pace I seem to be making enough to keep our finances in a good spot.
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11-01-2016, 02:55 PM
#17
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Originally Posted by Gilligan13
Can a bum make as much as an Art?
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Next year because of some deployment and training opportunities I will probably make more.
11-01-2016, 06:48 PM
#19
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Posts: 900
Originally Posted by C-17 Driver
He's not an AC yet and IP is likely a couple years away which means that he rolls in as a GS-12... the pay will be much less than GS-13. He is better off financially bumming then as an ART for now. Bumming has been and should continue to be pretty good in the C-17 world.
I've done all 3 - Bum to ART (3.5 yrs) to TR. to this day, I remain grateful for the ART position. However, I sure do not miss the paperwork involved to fly in either civilian status or military status. I'm happy to be a f-ART!
But, there's always something to be said about the comfort of a full-time job. That's why I was happy to take the ART position. I would not put my family through the stress of the feast or famine lifestyle.
I've done all 3 - Bum to ART (3.5 yrs) to TR. to this day, I remain grateful for the ART position. However, I sure do not miss the paperwork involved to fly in either civilian status or military status. I'm happy to be a f-ART!
But, there's always something to be said about the comfort of a full-time job. That's why I was happy to take the ART position. I would not put my family through the stress of the feast or famine lifestyle.
So what is the punitive action for an individual who signs an agreement to do 4 years as a GS-9 and then decides to go to the airlines? NONE? The OPM doesn't support that. They can QUIT whenever they want. Are they going to kick these individuals out of the unit militarily? On what grounds?
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