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Old 11-01-2016, 07:19 PM
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Is being an Art that bad or are guys easily swayed to the airlines? I'm surprised people would rather commute then take a full-time spot in the Guard.

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What does an ART top out at? I don't think there are SES ARTs. When do ARTs have to retire? I'm guessing well before age 65.

Airline people can make $300k working eight days/month
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Old 11-01-2016, 07:21 PM
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At what airline can someone commuting make 300k working 8 days?

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Old 11-01-2016, 07:56 PM
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I don't have much knowledge about the reserve world. I did 20 years active and got my 04 retirement in 1988 to ease the transition to airline new hire pay. I put in 18 years at UAL. My military retirement is now my main source of income. My Tricare for life is my medicare supplement. Other UAL guys my age are spending big bucks for their retiree insurance. I had a great airline career, but you never know how even a great career will end up. My military retirement really has saved my butt.
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Old 11-01-2016, 09:56 PM
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What does an ART top out at? I don't think there are SES ARTs. When do ARTs have to retire? I'm guessing well before age 65.

Airline people can make $300k working eight days/month
60 with 20 years of service. 55-57 with 30 years of service. The kicker is that as a Lt Col, you'll need a waiver to continue past 28 years (which is not a gimmie) and you can also be non-retained from your military position, which means you lose your ART job along with your military job.

If the ANG and AFRC want to impose full-time service commitments and make people work as ART's, this will not facilitate the use of USERRA rights if someone is on leave from a civilian job. If they want people there full-time, cough up the AGR tours. They like making civilian and military duties one in the same when it works for them, but in reality, the work rules between ART duty and military duty are two different ballgames.

ART gigs top out at $124,805 as a GS-13-10 with the 30% pilot "bonus". OG/CC's are commonly GS-14's who top out at $147,477 at Step 10 and WG/CC's could go to GS-15-10, which tops out at $173,477 (plus military pay on top of all that). Take at least $10-15k off the top to pay into bennies, then taxes.

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Old 11-02-2016, 10:02 AM
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Another issue is your health care. No Tricare reserve select for ARTs so unless your wife carries the insurance make sure to add that huge hunk of change when doing the math on which is better.
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Old 11-02-2016, 11:39 AM
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Once again, as has been highlighted ad nauseam already on APC, ART is a huge paycut to do a regAF job until 57-60, both on the income and retirement fronts. AGR is much better, but does not facilitate the transition to the airlines due to risk of non-curtailment. Bumming is cyclic and the least steady of the three, but offers the most scheduling flexibility.

ARTs generally end up being those guys who aren't interested or can't get hired at the airlines. Otherwise, people use ART jobs as revolving doors to transition to airline work, or as bunker jobs during periods of airline furlough. The OP can't go wrong with either choice in this hiring environment. Only the AGR would be ill-advised for him at this juncture in his career. Don't hang your hat on anything though, things change quickly in this business, military included.

As to AFRC, yeah they've lost their minds a while ago down there in Robins. Absolutely no fidelity with what's going on at the unit-level it seems. They're taking their cues from Pentagon "liaisons" fielding phone calls to airline management. They're clueless. I'm loving the pyrotechnics right now. This thing is burning and even the regAF loaner furniture is catching on fire. That TFI I tell ya, sure isn't popular amongst the plebes. LOL
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Old 11-02-2016, 11:47 AM
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What happens if you hit 30 years before 55?

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Old 11-03-2016, 08:55 AM
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What happens if you hit 30 years before 55?

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Old 11-03-2016, 09:19 AM
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You'll be continued until being eligible for FERS retirement, but dies require a high year tenure waiver. I was an ART for 17 years left at 52 and went into a civil job that was a temp pay cut but has turned into a much better deal. ART is not a bad deal when there's no airline hiring, a damned poor career, though.

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Is it that bad or unit dependent?

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