Cessna v. Piper trainers
06-28-2009, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
I remember thinking that the Cessnas were just a little more forgiving in the trainer roll and a tad easier to land; but I much prefer the Piper products to fly. I was never a fan of the high wing and the I liked the throttle quadrant of the Pipers I flew over the push/pull controls of the Cessnas.
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Also, as far as high wing... I felt the same way most of you all feel... until I got into a decathlon.. that is a very fun airplane.
06-28-2009, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ryan1234
The quadrant is much better on the Pipers... but even better in the diamonds (with the stick). I'm not a big fan of yokes in general.
Also, as far as high wing... I felt the same way most of you all feel... until I got into a decathlon.. that is a very fun airplane.
Also, as far as high wing... I felt the same way most of you all feel... until I got into a decathlon.. that is a very fun airplane.
Not saying that high wing can't be fun....but for whatever reason I've just always been partial to low wing aircraft. As soon as I could I got checked out in the Warrior and Archers and did my Commercial in a Arrow, which was also my favorite to fly x/c.
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06-28-2009, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
I agree with the stick comment.....I am also a fan of the stick (though I haven't tried side mounted. I look forward to maybe flying a Cirrus someday) I also haven't flown a Diamond product. What makes their quadrant better in your opinion?
Not saying that high wing can't be fun....but for whatever reason I've just always been partial to low wing aircraft. As soon as I could I got checked out in the Warrior and Archers and did my Commercial in a Arrow, which was also my favorite to fly x/c.
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Not saying that high wing can't be fun....but for whatever reason I've just always been partial to low wing aircraft. As soon as I could I got checked out in the Warrior and Archers and did my Commercial in a Arrow, which was also my favorite to fly x/c.
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I like the trim on the side stick of the Cirrus, it's very handy (no pun intended).
06-28-2009, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sqwkvfr
The answer to this is really simple...there are hardly ANY decent Warrior IIIs (the preferred piper trainer) available for sale.
06-29-2009, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Planespotta
I know for a fact that the PA-28-161 does. I actually think that it's published somewhere . . . can someone confirm this? 
The manual says 40, but I don't know if there is some modification I am not aware of.
06-29-2009, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by shdw
The manual says 40, but I don't know if there is some modification I am not aware of.
06-29-2009, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Planespotta
Well, not really. It's just that when you have the third flap setting locked in, you can still manually pull back and hold the flaps a little further back (because they are mechanical). I distinctly remember reading somewhere that doing so added about 15 degrees of flaps . . . dunno if it was in a POH/IM.
As far as Piper vs. Cessna, it's preference. Cessna pumped out(and still does) produce more planes vs. pipers. So just by numbers alone it's that way. I love both, each for different reasons.
When you move up past trainers, Piper wins with the Malibu Mirage/Matrix IMO, but I'm partial because my company sells them.(10nm/gal efficiency at 70% isn't bad though is it)
06-29-2009, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Ewfflyer
It wouldn't be in the manual, because it's not an "approved" flap position, otherwise it'd have the detent for it. So 40-degree's is technically it.
06-29-2009, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Planespotta
Well, not really. It's just that when you have the third flap setting locked in, you can still manually pull back and hold the flaps a little further back (because they are mechanical). I distinctly remember reading somewhere that doing so added about 15 degrees of flaps . . . dunno if it was in a POH/IM.
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