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Old 06-07-2008, 10:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all,

Here again is the dreaded "Can I log SIC" question... First of all, I'm still probably a year away from looking for a job. I'm working on my CFI and will probably do that for a year (at a major collegiate aviation institution) and then am looking for a regional or maybe some part 135 action the east coast- Linear Air, Cape Air, etc.

So...how does the SIC program at Cape Air work? Is ANY of it loggable?

Currently, I'm a "Plus 1" pilot for a small 135 charter operation. A few weeks ago I took a trip in one of thier 402's and acctually only flew for .2 (which I logged as PIC). However, Part A015 of the Company Opspecs require that the autopilot be used in lieu of second in command, and the captain I flew with advised me NOT to log any of the time as "SIC" because of this rule. I think the company still needs another pilot flight crewmemember on the airplane for thier insurance. Any thoughts?

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Old 06-07-2008, 10:28 AM   #2 (permalink)
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No debate. Opspecs and FARs rule, insurance has no bearing.
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:44 AM   #3 (permalink)
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What about logging Total Time? I was just reading through how AirNet justifies SICs logging time in the Barron. Should I log it as total time?
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Old 06-07-2008, 02:05 PM   #4 (permalink)
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This may be what you were referring to. At the bottom of this link is an explanation of how Airnet does it.

http://www.airapps.com/articles/AirNetDec99/airnet.html


All Baron SICs at Airnet have taken a checkride and have a 135 letter for the airplane. If you do not have that I do not think you would be able to log any time.

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Old 06-07-2008, 08:38 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 06-07-2008, 08:48 PM   #6 (permalink)
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flyboyfreye,

If you have taken a company, 135 checkride and the ops. specs. says either SIC or Autopilot in lieu of SIC, then everytime you are acting PIC(sole controller), log PIC. Otherwise, when the PIC, or captain, is flying log SIC time. Hope this helps, but ask your captains. They should know.
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Old 06-08-2008, 12:06 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I think it's been rather unanimous this time....it's a big Negative there. Sorry about your luck.
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flyboyfreye,

If you have taken a company, 135 checkride and the ops. specs. says either SIC or Autopilot in lieu of SIC, then everytime you are acting PIC(sole controller), log PIC. [] Otherwise, when the PIC, or captain, is flying log SIC time. Hope this helps, but ask your captains. They should know.
Dude, don't go logging PIC if you're an SIC.
(Who's name is on the flight plan?)
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Dude, don't go logging PIC if you're an SIC.
(Who's name is on the flight plan?)
It's not Part 121, Part 135 is ok. Even asked the DO of my company. Pretty sure I'm safe there.
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Old 06-08-2008, 09:45 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Let me just say, my bad. The legs I'm logging PIC are empty legs, therefore Part 91. Sorry
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