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Free ticket to operator/ pilot jail for sure. You might get lucky and not get caught. When you do get caught, I think Mickey D still looking for assistant managers. Cause your pilot career in US and most of the civilized world will be over and done with.
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So, I cannot find anywhere in the FAR (other than the part about FAA inspectors sitting in the jumpseat) that prohibits a passenger on a 135 flight from sitting in the jumpseat.
Can anyone shed light on this?
I would imagine a Part 91 flight anything goes for the jumpseat, but for some reason I was under the impression (since I was at a 121 carrier for a while and there were specific people who could ride on it) that it is not allowed under 135 except for inspectors/check airman.
§ 135.113 Passenger occupancy of pilot seat.
No certificate holder may operate an aircraft type certificated after October 15, 1971, that has a passenger seating configuration, excluding any pilot seat, of more than eight seats if any person other than the pilot in command, a second in command, a company check airman, or an authorized representative of the Administrator, the National Transportation Safety Board, or the United States Postal Service occupies a pilot seat.
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§ 135.85 Carriage of persons without compliance with the passenger-carrying provisions of this part.
The following persons may be carried aboard an aircraft without complying with the passenger-carrying requirements of this part:
(a) A crewmember or other employee of the certificate holder.
(b) A person necessary for the safe handling of animals on the aircraft.
(c) A person necessary for the safe handling of hazardous materials (as defined in subchapter C of title 49 CFR).
(d) A person performing duty as a security or honor guard accompanying a shipment made by or under the authority of the U.S. Government.
(e) A military courier or a military route supervisor carried by a military cargo contract air carrier or commercial operator in operations under a military cargo contract, if that carriage is specifically authorized by the appropriate military service.
(f) An authorized representative of the Administrator conducting an en route inspection.
(g) A person, authorized by the Administrator, who is performing a duty connected with a cargo operation of the certificate holder.
(h) A DOD commercial air carrier evaluator conducting an en route evaluation.
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135.113 refers to a pilot seat, ie left, right, or perhaps even the FE. It is silent as to the observer's seat.
135.85 refers to who counts as a passenger. ie if my landing lights are inop I can only operate at night without passengers. This laundry list enumerates those who are also not passengers for the purposes of a specific regulation. Again, not quite relevant to who may occupy a jumpseat.
It looks to me like 135.125 is going to be airline specific per each carriers' own ops specs. And those rules are going to be SSI, thus not transmissable over a public message board (or any other means!).
But I totally agree, the short answer is going to be no.
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When I flew 135, I had people sitting up front on the C310's all the time. There's no mention of it in our Ops specs either. Even in the C421 they sat up front, no restrictions.
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When I flew 135, I had people sitting up front on the C310's all the time. There's no mention of it in our Ops specs either. Even in the C421 they sat up front, no restrictions.
If it was before 9/11 yes everybody did. Now under TSA rules they can't. We used to able to jumpseat on airlines too, can't do that anymore unless you are CASS approved, have an agreement with the airline and the Captain will allow it.
Rules have changed, some of you might want to talk to your DO or CP and have them find out and explain why you can or can't. Remember, it is your license, the company will just get fined and keep on going. You will be asking your customers if it is with or without pickles
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