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Old 08-25-2008, 09:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Jumpseat usage under FAR 135?

So, I cannot find anywhere in the FAR (other than the part about FAA inspectors sitting in the jumpseat) that prohibits a passenger on a 135 flight from sitting in the jumpseat.

Can anyone shed light on this?

I would imagine a Part 91 flight anything goes for the jumpseat, but for some reason I was under the impression (since I was at a 121 carrier for a while and there were specific people who could ride on it) that it is not allowed under 135 except for inspectors/check airman.
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Old 08-25-2008, 10:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
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So, I cannot find anywhere in the FAR (other than the part about FAA inspectors sitting in the jumpseat) that prohibits a passenger on a 135 flight from sitting in the jumpseat.

Can anyone shed light on this?

I would imagine a Part 91 flight anything goes for the jumpseat, but for some reason I was under the impression (since I was at a 121 carrier for a while and there were specific people who could ride on it) that it is not allowed under 135 except for inspectors/check airman.
If the 135 operator is in CASS and there is a reciprocal or one-way agreement, then it doesn't matter if the flight is being operated under 91 or 135 the a/c jumpseat is free game.
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Well, I was really trying to find out if a PASSENGER onboard a Part 135 charter flight is allowed to ride the jumpseat at any time.
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
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At airnet it can only be done with special permition basis from the director of operations. Names also must be checked against the no fly list.
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Check the regs of course....

§ 135.125 Aircraft security.


Certificate holders conducting operators conducting operations under this part must comply with the applicable security requirements in 49 CFR chapter XII.
[67 FR 8350, Feb. 22, 2002]


§ 1544.237 Flight deck privileges.

(a) For each aircraft that has a door to the flight deck, each aircraft operator must restrict access to the flight deck as provided in its security program.
(b) This section does not restrict access for an FAA air carrier inspector, an authorized representative of the National Transportation Safety Board, or for an Agent of the United States Secret Service, under 14 CFR parts 121, 125, or 135. This section does not restrict access for a Federal Air Marshal under this part.
[67 FR 8210, Feb. 22, 2002]
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Old 08-26-2008, 06:27 AM   #6 (permalink)
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At airnet it can only be done with special permition basis from the director of operations. Names also must be checked against the no fly list.
You know, this is something that has always puzzled me about Airnet. Not to get too off topic, but as a former Airnet pilot, management frames restricting non-company riders as having to be in CASS in order to comply with TSA regs. At Cape Air, the right seat, with flight controls, is a paying passenger seat.
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Non company riders do not have to be in cass. Interview applicants for example are not normally in cass coming from flight instructing jobs. Just approved by the DO and checked against the same no fly list all airline passengers are.
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Non company riders do not have to be in cass. Interview applicants for example are not normally in cass coming from flight instructing jobs. Just approved by the DO and checked against the same no fly list all airline passengers are.
What exactly is the "no-fly list"? Is it just that long list of scabs thats floating around, or some other TSA approved these-people-are-terrorist-so-don't-let-them-in-your-airplane type list?
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OMG, I really hope for some of you the Feds ain't reading your comments.
And I am not just talking FAA. Violations all over, just because someone else does it, doesn't make it right for you or your company to do it. Different Security Programs, different exemptions etc. It might even be in their Operations Specifications.

Cockpit jumpseating is going to looked at pretty hard, better watch out.
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Well, I was really trying to find out if a PASSENGER onboard a Part 135 charter flight is allowed to ride the jumpseat at any time.
Simple answer, NO.

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