Operating Costs for Piper Chieftain
03-13-2009, 09:59 PM
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Operating Costs for Piper Chieftain
I have a project I am working on that could possibly become an operational part 135 start up. We are looking at the Piper Chieftain as a possible aircraft as well as the cessnas.
Does anyone have any idea the hourly cost for the cheiftain or even the cessna. So far my research has put it just around $330 - $400/hr. Is this a realistic range? We are open to suggestions.
Also as a part 135 On demand can you also have a shedule with destinations you plan to run or would that be a different 135 cert???
Does anyone have any idea the hourly cost for the cheiftain or even the cessna. So far my research has put it just around $330 - $400/hr. Is this a realistic range? We are open to suggestions.
Also as a part 135 On demand can you also have a shedule with destinations you plan to run or would that be a different 135 cert???
03-13-2009, 11:31 PM
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Is that wet or dry? If dry, that sounds about right. Wet, add a hundred twenty or so, depending on fuel prices.
I've been told that 402s are cheaper on the MX, but that's just word from someone who misses flying the 402, so... yeah.
I've been told that 402s are cheaper on the MX, but that's just word from someone who misses flying the 402, so... yeah.
03-14-2009, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TangoBar
Is that wet or dry? If dry, that sounds about right. Wet, add a hundred twenty or so, depending on fuel prices.
I've been told that 402s are cheaper on the MX, but that's just word from someone who misses flying the 402, so... yeah.
I've been told that 402s are cheaper on the MX, but that's just word from someone who misses flying the 402, so... yeah.
03-14-2009, 04:52 AM
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Where's your operation going to be out of? If you are around the east coast, or Las Vegas, look into contract "shuttle" flying with the casinos.
All 135 flights can be done on the same certificate. However, you have to have ops specs for all the different types of operation that your company will do. Also, for each operation, different work rules apply.
All 135 flights can be done on the same certificate. However, you have to have ops specs for all the different types of operation that your company will do. Also, for each operation, different work rules apply.
03-14-2009, 05:33 AM
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I think the TBO is 2000 hrs and 2 overhauled engines will run about $92-$95k/pair. You can plan on some cylinders along the way, too. The fuel burn is about 40-45 gph.
Get the BLR vg STC. I think it gives you an additional 368 lb useful load.
Get the BLR vg STC. I think it gives you an additional 368 lb useful load.
03-14-2009, 09:39 PM
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The operation plans to be a mid atlantic and east coast operation. it will be slightly different from the traditional 135's around so alot of work is being put in and Ops specs and all the icing on the cake.
There are a few thinkgs I liked about the Cheiftain and that is comfort, configuration and for some reason from a recent personal survey it seems the cheiftain comes in 2nd behind the king air in pax choice.
Ofcourse I am lookign more for affordability and the size of the operation.
I know a few pilots who have time in the aircraft spoke about a method they fly that saved a considerable amount of fuel. I am yet to see it. Does anyone know anything about this? Somethign about the manifold pressure and RPM
There are a few thinkgs I liked about the Cheiftain and that is comfort, configuration and for some reason from a recent personal survey it seems the cheiftain comes in 2nd behind the king air in pax choice.
Ofcourse I am lookign more for affordability and the size of the operation.
I know a few pilots who have time in the aircraft spoke about a method they fly that saved a considerable amount of fuel. I am yet to see it. Does anyone know anything about this? Somethign about the manifold pressure and RPM
03-15-2009, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by cpatterson19
The operation plans to be a mid atlantic and east coast operation. it will be slightly different from the traditional 135's around so alot of work is being put in and Ops specs and all the icing on the cake.
There are a few thinkgs I liked about the Cheiftain and that is comfort, configuration and for some reason from a recent personal survey it seems the cheiftain comes in 2nd behind the king air in pax choice.
Ofcourse I am lookign more for affordability and the size of the operation.
I know a few pilots who have time in the aircraft spoke about a method they fly that saved a considerable amount of fuel. I am yet to see it. Does anyone know anything about this? Somethign about the manifold pressure and RPM
There are a few thinkgs I liked about the Cheiftain and that is comfort, configuration and for some reason from a recent personal survey it seems the cheiftain comes in 2nd behind the king air in pax choice.
Ofcourse I am lookign more for affordability and the size of the operation.
I know a few pilots who have time in the aircraft spoke about a method they fly that saved a considerable amount of fuel. I am yet to see it. Does anyone know anything about this? Somethign about the manifold pressure and RPM
03-15-2009, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by freightdog
We would fly our Chieftains at 75 rich of peak at I believe 26". down from 30". There was a considerable drop in airspeed (about 15-20 knots). But we were told we were saving money on gas, but I was never sure because of the drop in airspeed we were in the air longer. We went to the richer side of peak also because we were getting cracked cylinders at the higher operating temps.
26" 2300 rpm at 75 degrees rich of peak will get you about 18 GPH a side and around 145-150 KIAS.
03-15-2009, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by freightdog
We would fly our Chieftains at 75 rich of peak at I believe 26". down from 30". There was a considerable drop in airspeed (about 15-20 knots). But we were told we were saving money on gas, but I was never sure because of the drop in airspeed we were in the air longer. We went to the richer side of peak also because we were getting cracked cylinders at the higher operating temps.
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