EMC2

Just a quick question for Part 135 charter pilots. Is there a maximum amount of hours you can fly in a day? Or a maximum number of flights you can make in a given time period?

KIGONYE

8 max flight. 14 max duty.

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EMC2

Thanks for the reply. I was given some misinformation about the amount of hours that could be flown under Part 135.

Fr8DogDan

More specifically, 8 hrs of commercial and 135 total for 1 single pilot ops and 10 hrs commercial and 135 total for 2 pilot aircraft in a 24 hr period. 14 hrs duty time.

minitour

8 for a single pilot crew. 10 for a two pilot crew. 10 continuous hours of rest in the previous 24 hours for unscheduled ops. 500/Quarter, 800/two consecutive quarters and 1400/year flight time max (or was it 1200?)

Scheduled ops are a different ballgame. Still the same 8/10 flight hours thing but I think there's a 34-in-7 thing and maybe 100/month and 1200/year? Someone correct me on that...been a while since I've looked at scheduled ops. You can also get reduced rest in scheduled ops off of a "normal" 9/15 rest/duty "schedule".

-mini

EMC2

Suppose you fly for a charter outfit that has both scheduled and unscheduled flights, how would that work? Could a charter pilot have a full schedule every day (I mean no days off)? And what if you are a flight instructor, too? Do instruction hours count in all of that?

Please forgive all the questions, I'm just trying to clarify some things I have been told. And thanks for all your input.

johnnysnow

Check out 135.265 and 135.267. This will spell out specifically what you can and cannot do. 135.265 refers to Scheduled Operations while 135.267 refers to Unscheduled Operations. I assume this operation you speak of requires two pilots or less, so 135.269 wont be in play.

Some unscheduled operators, like mine, choose to use the more stringent 135.265, however from my understanding scheduled operators are required to use this part. Unscheduled have the choice.

To answer your question about whether they can use both sets of rules, I would probably say yes. The key is to apply the standard of the regulation to what you have done in the last day, week, month, quarter, and year. If you’re legal, you’re legal. I would say in most cases going from scheduled (135.265) to unscheduled (135.267), no problems. From unscheduled to scheduled, now you’re playing with fire.

To answer your question about flight instruction, the answer is yes. The regulations say, "…no flight crewmember may accept an assignment, for ... if that crewmember's total flight time in all commercial flying will exceed..."

If I where you, I would just ask to see their operations specifications showing that they can operate under both sets of regulations. I don't see why they would not accommodate your request. But remember, the ultimate burden on whether your legal or not, rest squarely on you. The company can and will get in trouble if you fly illegal, but the buck stops at your doorstep. No amount of "the company told me this" or "they said they would fire me" will protect you from a certificate suspension.

Calling the FSDO that holds their certificate and asking the certificate's Primary Inspection Officer will be a good way for you to know for sure.

Hope this helps

johnnysnow

EMC2

Thank you SO much for the info. I am fairly certain this particular charter group works on the unscheduled side of things, but I am not 100% sure of that.

One of their pilots has told me several things that just don't add up. Mainly the amount of flying that he does.

I guess it's time to get out the FAR's. Fun!

But your info was much appreciated! Thanks again!!

johnnysnow

No problem

minitour

Just keep in mind that if a POI says you can do something, and you do it, and he was wrong.........you still get violated. Even if he puts it in writing.

Make sure you know what you're doing.

-mini