New Gama/WHEELS UP King Air Bases
#161
Correct, however there is currently no street hiring into the Jet. They are supposed to only "promote" into the Citation going forward. There has been pretty much zero moment on the jet side with anything including attrition and deliveries.
Rumor is more deliveries late this year but nothing announced yet. If KD decides to pull a "wham bam thank you maam" and take quick jet deliveries in a very short period Gama may have no choice but to violate their promise of no more street hiring into the XLS. If its an airframe at a time over several months then I would say the KA guys will take those positions and hiring will continue to be right seat KA only.
That is all just my $.02 though so anything is possible.
Rumor is more deliveries late this year but nothing announced yet. If KD decides to pull a "wham bam thank you maam" and take quick jet deliveries in a very short period Gama may have no choice but to violate their promise of no more street hiring into the XLS. If its an airframe at a time over several months then I would say the KA guys will take those positions and hiring will continue to be right seat KA only.
That is all just my $.02 though so anything is possible.
#162
Same Per-Diem. The Jet guys like to think that they are special but the don't eat any more or less than the King Air crews. More often than not lunch is FBO cookies and popcorn as there is not enough time built into the schedule to go and eat. Hotel Breakfast, Junk snack for lunch, Hotel dinner. Then go home for 3 days and feel like a guest because home is not a Hilton property. Wash your clothes, repack, and repeat.
#163
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Exactly. Hopefully the WU people are more calculated than that. Though they may not realize how much of a commotion it'll create if they bring on jets so fast they have to go to street hiring again as it would leave the KAs too short staffed. I personally know at least three guys (who are fortunate and connected enough) that could have a new job with one phone call that will resign immediately if they street hire into the jet again. There's a few others who claim they will leave ASAP as well..
We have hired several pilots from the regionals lately. The FO I just flew with was from RAH and is loving life here compared to there. Apparently reserve FOs at RAH often saw 6/1 so the schedule here is an improvement for some of them not to mention that massive pay raise.
Sadly there certainly is an aire of "superiority" among some of the jet crews. Most are very cool guys as I've had one or two come over to our aircraft and offer to help us out with cabin resets. baggage etc...but that was once..just once..I guess they are about average attitude wise. Sadly there are a few though that I'd really like to have an "honest" chat with in a dark alley. I know some of the KA guys are starting to call the jet guys "mainline."
You guys also getting pilots from the regionals? If so, where are they coming from - and are they sticking around with the lousy schedule?
Let's hope your management fixes the schedule problem soon - with the projected growth, 8/6 would likely lead to a lot more applications.
Let's hope your management fixes the schedule problem soon - with the projected growth, 8/6 would likely lead to a lot more applications.
Same Per-Diem. The Jet guys like to think that they are special but the don't eat any more or less than the King Air crews. More often than not lunch is FBO cookies and popcorn as there is not enough time built into the schedule to go and eat. Hotel Breakfast, Junk snack for lunch, Hotel dinner. Then go home for 3 days and feel like a guest because home is not a Hilton property. Wash your clothes, repack, and repeat.
#164
I wore a suit, some guys wore casual. Considering they send you to Joseph A Bank to get measured for your uniform, it would probably be a smart move to look your best on the day.
#166
It's that kind of screwed up thinking that got Gama into the hiring issue that it has now. Every time you pass over a King Air captain for upgrade into the XL, you have to hire an XL plus two King Air pilots because they both quit over the fact that they were passed over for promotion.
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New Gama/WHEELS UP King Air Bases
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