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Old 06-21-2011, 05:10 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Yea, if I'm the only one in the airplane coming down, I usually log about .2-.3 solo if the total run is .7. I had to do some thinking the first time I put that down.
Wait a second.
Solo is kind of a term used with a student pilot without an instructor onboard right?
Once you have your license (qual'ed in the airplane) and are flying (with jumpers or without) you are logging PIC time aren't you? I mean you signed for the plane and are probably rated and qualified.

As far as the x/c time, it seems that as long as it fits the FAR definition of the type of x/c type that you plan on using it for then I would certainly think that it would apply and you should be logging it!

I'm curious to see what others have to say about this - solo and x/c time.

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I think solo is defined as the only one in the plane, but most people do not log solo once they get their PPL since it is worthless time at that point.
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Old 06-21-2011, 05:38 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Yea, if I'm the only one in the airplane coming down, I usually log about .2-.3 solo if the total run is .7. I had to do some thinking the first time I put that down.
Sorry but this statement makes zero sense. If you log "solo time" in this scenario then for what purpose? Solo PIC has no earthly value except meeting FAR Part 61 private pilot aeronautical experience requirements and even then it's only 10 hours I think. This post makes no sense.
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Old 06-22-2011, 07:08 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Ok, solo time = worthless.

But x cntry time would be ok, since I am landing at another airport other than the one I took off from.


Part 61 CERTIFICATION: PILOTS, FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, AND GROUND INSTRUCTORS
Subpart A--General

Sec. 61.1

(3) Cross-country time means--

(i) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(3)(ii) through (b)(3)(vi) of this section, time acquired during a flight--

(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;

(B) Conducted in an aircraft;

(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of departure; and

(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
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Solo is for use in place of PIC. A student pilot is unable to log PIC without a license. So when his instructor isn't on board and before he gets his license he logs solo time. After that it's PIC time.

Are we confusing single pilot PIC with solo time?
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Solo is for use in place of PIC. A student pilot is unable to log PIC without a license. So when his instructor isn't on board and before he gets his license he logs solo time. After that it's PIC time.

Are we confusing single pilot PIC with solo time?
When the instructor is not on board, the student logs solo and PIC.
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When the instructor is not on board, the student logs solo and PIC.
Who is ultimately responsible for a student pilot on a solo flight? The CFI. Can you legally log solo time as PIC?


OK second question. Why would the PIC have any different designation after he dumps a load of jumpers? None of those guys are crew?
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Who is ultimately responsible for a student pilot on a solo flight? The CFI. Can you legally log solo time as PIC?


OK second question. Why would the PIC have any different designation after he dumps a load of jumpers? None of those guys are crew?
Yes you can log solo time as PIC. The instructor is responsible for providing adequate training and evaluation of a student pilot, but when a student pilot is flying solo, they are the ones making all the command decisions, so they get to log PIC.
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Yes you can log solo time as PIC. The instructor is responsible for providing adequate training and evaluation of a student pilot, but when a student pilot is flying solo, they are the ones making all the command decisions, so they get to log PIC.
You are absolutely correct and here is the reference from FAR 61.51.

(4) A student pilot may log pilot-in-command time only when the student pilot—
(i) Is the sole occupant of the aircraft or is performing the duties of pilot of command of an airship requiring more than one pilot flight crewmember;
(ii) Has a solo flight endorsement as required under §61.87 of this part; and
(iii) Is undergoing training for a pilot certificate or rating.


I have been a a CFII since 1987 but I don't do any light aircraft or primary instruction anymore so it's good to have a peep at the regs from time to time.


But I'm still not getting where a licensed pilot would EVER log solo time? I've never even heard of that.
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Maybe he enjoyed his student solo flying so much that he wants to repeat the experience indefinitely.
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