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Old 03-17-2014, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Junglejett View Post
Hell, Taco Bell pays you from day one and does not require you to pay for your Taco making training.
What is the purpose of this post??? What is your purpose for posting on this thread at all?? I am not trying to pick a fight but it is an honest question I have since I see you have been a member here for 7 years with only 130 posts...why are two of those posts bashing low time pilot jobs? Yes...every pilot out there knows starting out wages are low low low...thats how this industry is...after you get your time..oh look my wages are nicer and it is a much better career than taco bell
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Old 03-17-2014, 08:35 AM
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Just because I do not spend every waking hour on this site like some do, does not mean I can have the occasional input.

Pilots are their own worse enemies. Have been forever and will continue to be until they wake the hell and up and demand a livable wage. There are way too many airplane operators out there taking advantage of a pilots desire to succeed by enticing them with multi-time and/or turbine. Most pilots spend 10's of thousands of dollars on flight training and some even incur college expenses yet are expected to come out and work for crap wages...and then do! Why is that?

My first professional flying gig was flying a jet after only having 35 hours of mulit time. I was EXTREMELY lucky and it is rare to have had that happen..but there ARE jobs out there, if you look hard enough. My first year, I made over 40K, had 401K and medical. Again, it was an opportunity that I worked very hard for and was lucky to get. I could have taken subhuman wages but refused to participate in the further decline of this profession.

You say that's how the industry is...and you are right. WE ARE THE INDUSTRY AND ARE COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CRAP WAGES! Here is out it works. Company A.) Pays their pilots a livable wage and treats them well. Gets tons of resumes and stays in business. Company B.) Pays crap wages with no benefits and no one wants to work for them, goes out of business.

See how that worked? If people quit chasing the dream by whoring themselves out, pay WILL go up.

Having traveled abroad as a pilot, I can assure you that pilots are treated like Kings outside the US..on the same level as doctors, lawyers, ect. In the states, we are mere bus drivers and over paid bus drivers at that. We should DEMAND more..because when you look at the responsibility we have, it is worth more.

As for Taco Bell pay...let me give you an example. A friend of mine was furloughed from TWA back in the day. He was a Air Force Academy graduate, F-4 pilot, and all around good dude. After he was furloughed, he struggled to find work until he was offered a managers job at a local Pizza Hut..yeah, a Pizza Hut. He made more during his furlough as a Pizza Hut manager than he did while a pilot at TWA. Explain to me how that is right.

If a company requires you to pay for your own training, go the other way. If a company requires you to sign a training contract, take a close look at it and do not sign one for more than a year. If the company cannot pay you a livable wage, go the other way. If the company is operating on such narrow margins, consider their maintenance. If they are paying their pilots crap, imagine what the mechanics are making. Consider the things they will let slide. Consider the FAA walking up to your airplane and inquiring about its airworthiness..and the fact that you are the PIC. Consider what a violation will do to your career. Consider the impact of an accident when the company throws you under the bus and you find yourself defending yourself in court. Many jobs are independent contractors...which gives you very little to no protection. Consider the return on your investment into your career. Consider the impact on the industry that taking low paying jobs will have. Lastly, consider your life and what it is worth. If it is worth the little pay you will get, have at it.

We are not in a perfect business but things need to change..and it is in our power to make that change happen.

By the way, this goes for all operations!! This is not a slam on being a jump pilot or tow plane pilot or ag pilot or regional. If you are in the aviation business, you need to pay people better.


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What is the purpose of this post??? What is your purpose for posting on this thread at all?? I am not trying to pick a fight but it is an honest question I have since I see you have been a member here for 7 years with only 130 posts...why are two of those posts bashing low time pilot jobs? Yes...every pilot out there knows starting out wages are low low low...thats how this industry is...after you get your time..oh look my wages are nicer and it is a much better career than taco bell
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Old 03-17-2014, 09:17 AM
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Finally we get some meat on the bone...the purpose of my questioning was to get this out of you - Yes i agree with the majority of what you said but the small sneer side remarks/posts are worthless...that was what I was getting at. The industry is ever changing and right now rapidly changing. For low time jobs like banner towing and skydiving... I understand why there is low pay - lots of turnover since it is a low time job - pilots are not going to stay due to the fact that they want to fly something else (bigger like airlines/corporate)...pay has little to do with it. Also these companies are not posting record profits like the airlines are right now - so in reality - these companies hardly have the money to increase wages(dropzones im talking about here - most open up are around for a few years then fold up). But now with this 1500 hr rule you are now taking about non low time guys in a sense...not entry level jobs anymore requiring more experience and should demand a raise and I hope to see that at the airlines. Ag flying has changed a lot too over the years and now is not considered an entry level job - also most ag jobs can bring in 60k to well over 100k working less than half the year...you are working your butt off during the times you are working though.
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Old 03-17-2014, 10:50 AM
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Fair example, but a Taco Bell cashier doesn't cost $10/minute to train.

Please reference my earlier post though on what I feel is an acceptable solution. You also have to consider that (like it or not) you are still "interviewing" for your first few days. Skydivers are very picky about the pilots they like and don't like.
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Old 03-17-2014, 11:40 AM
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I'm not going into the Maintenance thing again. Primarily because its a waste of time beating a dead horse. some are good, some are bad. All we ask for is a commitment, not a signed document or anything legally binding. If you want to leave you are free to do so at anytime. However leaving early will not earn you the prized phone call to one of our many former pilots in very high positions throughout the aviation community (that also all started with the company as there first flying jobs) to get you the interview for whatever kind of flying job you would like after you complete your designated time period.

Still taking applications at the moment.
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:31 PM
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Taco Bell does not charge you a training fee. Training someone to do the job you hired them to do, is the cost of doing business. It really is that simple.

If you cannot afford to train someone and pay them a livable wage, you have no business IN business. That too is simple.


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Fair example, but a Taco Bell cashier doesn't cost $10/minute to train.

Please reference my earlier post though on what I feel is an acceptable solution. You also have to consider that (like it or not) you are still "interviewing" for your first few days. Skydivers are very picky about the pilots they like and don't like.
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Old 03-17-2014, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Junglejett View Post
Taco Bell does not charge you a training fee. Training someone to do the job you hired them to do, is the cost of doing business. It really is that simple.

If you cannot afford to train someone and pay them a livable wage, you have no business IN business. That too is simple.
Did you bother reading what I find as acceptable and unacceptable?

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/pa...ml#post1603776

Also you missed the point on training costs. Watch how fast Taco Bell would implement something like this if taco stuffers (giggity) took up that large a percent of the budget to train.

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Old 03-17-2014, 04:07 PM
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Seems agreeable.

I would love to get paid as a Taco stuffer.


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Did you bother reading what I find as acceptable and unacceptable?

www.airlinepilotforums.com/part-91-low-time/80230-turbine-jump-pilot-position-3.html#post1603776

Also you missed the point on training costs. Watch how fast Taco Bell would implement something like this if taco stuffers (giggity) took up that large a percent of the budget to train.
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Old 03-18-2014, 01:02 PM
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I will vouch for this operation. I have flown each of their aircraft and worked with a majority of it's staff and I'd be happy to go back if I were still in the area. If you're looking to build turbine time and multi time, this is worth finding a cheap place to live for a year or so and doing it. Plan on flying up to 8 or more hours a day on the weekends. If it's Josh still running this operation, Josh is a great guy and a pilot's pilot who has been flying since early childhood and dedicates much of his time to this operation as do the others who run Raeford Aviation. -Austin
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Old 04-27-2014, 06:16 PM
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Clarenceover,

Did you get that job in NC flying jumpers in CASA's??
Would be curious to hear how it's going if you did...
and if they need more pilots?
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