July 31st ATP Written
09-24-2014, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by andycfi
Hello,
My situation is as follows: 32 years old, 1000-1100TT, 50ME, CFI/II/MEI. I gave up on flying professionally a long time ago. I even quit for several years at one point. I have a great job flying a desk with good pay and benefits and will probably stay there until I retire. Last year, I started to pick up a few students for fun and to put my licenses to use.
Recently, I found out that I can buy myself 2 more years to take the ATP practical under the soon-to-be old regulations if I take the written before August 1st. Since I gave up the original goal to fly professionally, I had pretty much decided that an ATP was not worth getting in my situation. That was a pretty simple decision to make because I could change my mind later. With the new rules, though, I don't think I will have much longer to change my mind. It might be worth taking the time to meet the requirements and pass the test so that I don't miss the chance to get the rating. I know that I would never invest 15K plus on the training after the rules change.
I have no interest in flying part 121. I also have no need for a "vanity rating." I'm simply thinking of getting it because there might be a cool retirement or part time job someday that might require an ATP. Getting it would leave some doors open for me one day if an opportunity came my way. At the same time, though, it is difficult to get 400 more hours with a fulltime job, a family, and other committments. There would have to be enough possible benefit to make it worth investing that kind of time.
My questions:
Do the new rules only affect the part 121 Multi Engine ATP, or will they also apply to the part 135 Multi Engine ATP? If only the 121, I am less concerned.
Do many 91 or 135 employers actually require an ATP?
Could not having one close doors for me in the future? I am not going to loose sleep if I never fly professionally, but as the old cliche goes, "never say never ..."
Thanks
Andy
My situation is as follows: 32 years old, 1000-1100TT, 50ME, CFI/II/MEI. I gave up on flying professionally a long time ago. I even quit for several years at one point. I have a great job flying a desk with good pay and benefits and will probably stay there until I retire. Last year, I started to pick up a few students for fun and to put my licenses to use.
Recently, I found out that I can buy myself 2 more years to take the ATP practical under the soon-to-be old regulations if I take the written before August 1st. Since I gave up the original goal to fly professionally, I had pretty much decided that an ATP was not worth getting in my situation. That was a pretty simple decision to make because I could change my mind later. With the new rules, though, I don't think I will have much longer to change my mind. It might be worth taking the time to meet the requirements and pass the test so that I don't miss the chance to get the rating. I know that I would never invest 15K plus on the training after the rules change.
I have no interest in flying part 121. I also have no need for a "vanity rating." I'm simply thinking of getting it because there might be a cool retirement or part time job someday that might require an ATP. Getting it would leave some doors open for me one day if an opportunity came my way. At the same time, though, it is difficult to get 400 more hours with a fulltime job, a family, and other committments. There would have to be enough possible benefit to make it worth investing that kind of time.
My questions:
Do the new rules only affect the part 121 Multi Engine ATP, or will they also apply to the part 135 Multi Engine ATP? If only the 121, I am less concerned.
Do many 91 or 135 employers actually require an ATP?
Could not having one close doors for me in the future? I am not going to loose sleep if I never fly professionally, but as the old cliche goes, "never say never ..."
Thanks
Andy
If you haven't taken it by now, your down, but not out. Yes there are all these new rules regarding the ATP, however. It only applies to Multiengine ATP rating. If you get a single engine ATP, it does not apply and then you simply add on the Multiengine at a later date.
I basically decided on the same, although I'm a bit older. My last attemp was a few years ago, I got hired by American Eagle and was waiting for a class date, a few weeks later I got the email that all classes have been cancelled and they started the layoff process, a friend of mine, only a month to go, was let go. After that, I decided to forgo the airline business.
09-25-2014, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy727
Welcome back to flying,
If you haven't taken it by now, your down, but not out. Yes there are all these new rules regarding the ATP, however. It only applies to Multiengine ATP rating. If you get a single engine ATP, it does not apply and then you simply add on the Multiengine at later date.
If you haven't taken it by now, your down, but not out. Yes there are all these new rules regarding the ATP, however. It only applies to Multiengine ATP rating. If you get a single engine ATP, it does not apply and then you simply add on the Multiengine at later date.
09-25-2014, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp
Read 61.165(c). To add the ME on to an existing ATP, you'll still have to complete the CTP.
That's why this reg makes no sense and all it does is put a lot of people out of work, mostly those with under 1500 hrs.
09-25-2014, 01:09 PM
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I further reviewed the reg and it only address type rating for the add on, it does not address class rating, multiengine is a class rating and not a type rating. Once you complete your training program with your company, you'll get the type rating.
So as I see it, nothing really changed, you can still take the written, as long as you go for a single engine "class rating".
So as I see it, nothing really changed, you can still take the written, as long as you go for a single engine "class rating".
09-25-2014, 02:01 PM
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The FAA created two new ATP writtens, a SE and ME written. So yes, you can walk in, take the SE written and pass a checkride and get the SE ATP. However, to "simply" adding the multi class rating later requires you to complete a CTP, pass the ME ATP written, complete whatever training you need and then pass the checkride.
61.165(c) Airplane category rating with a multiengine class rating. A person applying for an airline transport certificate with an airplane category and multiengine class rating who holds an airline transport certificate with another aircraft category rating must:
(1) Meet the eligibility requirements of §61.153 of this part;
(2) After July 31, 2014, successfully complete the airline transport pilot certification training program specified in §61.156;
(3) Pass a knowledge test for an airplane category multiengine class rating or type rating on the aeronautical knowledge areas of §61.155(c);
61.165(c) Airplane category rating with a multiengine class rating. A person applying for an airline transport certificate with an airplane category and multiengine class rating who holds an airline transport certificate with another aircraft category rating must:
(1) Meet the eligibility requirements of §61.153 of this part;
(2) After July 31, 2014, successfully complete the airline transport pilot certification training program specified in §61.156;
(3) Pass a knowledge test for an airplane category multiengine class rating or type rating on the aeronautical knowledge areas of §61.155(c);
09-25-2014, 04:52 PM
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Looks like Sporty's is now approved to be the third place to be able to get you an ATP written. Cost $4500.
News for September 26th, 2014 | Airline Pilot Info
News for September 26th, 2014 | Airline Pilot Info
09-26-2014, 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
Cost $4500.
Aviator College is attempting to put together an ATP CTP course as evidenced by their recruiting efforts.
Last edited by blaquehawk99; 09-26-2014 at 01:58 AM. Reason: Bad Engrish
09-26-2014, 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by blaquehawk99
I'm surprised at the cost. Articles I've read on the subject were previously quoting $10,000 or more for classroom and sim time.
Aviator College is attempting to put together an ATP CTP course as evidenced by their recruiting efforts.
Aviator College is attempting to put together an ATP CTP course as evidenced by their recruiting efforts.
09-30-2014, 06:14 AM
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I went through the Sporty's program and they have partnered with ABX Air to use their simulators, go through ground school, etc. So basically, one who enrolls in the program goes to Wilmington, OH for a week for ground school/sim training and for $4500 you're done.
Sporty?s ATP program approved - AOPA
Sporty?s ATP program approved - AOPA
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