Multi time help
06-02-2015, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Absolutely freaking mind boggling. Has the industry truly sunk to such depths that this is the level of applicant at an airline? Thirteen hours and only looking for a few more and that's it?
Go get a damn job flying night freight single pilot IMC in the clag, bust your ass and get real experience, instead of trying to do the bare minimum and get away with doing the very least that you can do.
Holy crap. Seriously. Unbelievable.
Ameriflight is offering bonuses. I seem to see more and more threads by applicants who look to build time (go get experience; forget "time"). Applicants who feel that 1,500 hours is some kind of hardship. 1,500 hours is nothing. This big rush to run before you haven't learned to crawl is naive at best. If you chose a flying career, then get your butt out the door, get in a cockpit, and fly. Get some experience. Get your hands dirty. Stop trying to do the bare minimum to curtain climb to the next rung. 13 hours doesn't make you experienced it. Another twelve hours won't either.
Instead of looking for a benefactor to allow you to grace his cockpit for a few hours, get vetted, go through the interview and selection process, get yourself into some equipment that makes you stretch yourself, grow, and from which you'll learn essential lessons that will be in use for the rest of your career.
That will NOT come from another 12 hours in some sugar daddy's light twin.
Go get a damn job flying night freight single pilot IMC in the clag, bust your ass and get real experience, instead of trying to do the bare minimum and get away with doing the very least that you can do.
Holy crap. Seriously. Unbelievable.
Ameriflight is offering bonuses. I seem to see more and more threads by applicants who look to build time (go get experience; forget "time"). Applicants who feel that 1,500 hours is some kind of hardship. 1,500 hours is nothing. This big rush to run before you haven't learned to crawl is naive at best. If you chose a flying career, then get your butt out the door, get in a cockpit, and fly. Get some experience. Get your hands dirty. Stop trying to do the bare minimum to curtain climb to the next rung. 13 hours doesn't make you experienced it. Another twelve hours won't either.
Instead of looking for a benefactor to allow you to grace his cockpit for a few hours, get vetted, go through the interview and selection process, get yourself into some equipment that makes you stretch yourself, grow, and from which you'll learn essential lessons that will be in use for the rest of your career.
That will NOT come from another 12 hours in some sugar daddy's light twin.
06-02-2015, 04:43 PM
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Geez, if the guy wants to fly in the regionals then why should he have to go fly cargo single pilot for a year? He wants to fly for a regional and the regional would love to have him. It sounds like a great proposition to me. I on the other hand don't know why anyone would want to fly at the regionals though but it doesn't mean I think you should have to hate your life at a 135.
06-04-2015, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Absolutely freaking mind boggling. Has the industry truly sunk to such depths that this is the level of applicant at an airline? Thirteen hours and only looking for a few more and that's it?
Go get a damn job flying night freight single pilot IMC in the clag, bust your ass and get real experience, instead of trying to do the bare minimum and get away with doing the very least that you can do.
Holy crap. Seriously. Unbelievable.
Ameriflight is offering bonuses. I seem to see more and more threads by applicants who look to build time (go get experience; forget "time"). Applicants who feel that 1,500 hours is some kind of hardship. 1,500 hours is nothing. This big rush to run before you haven't learned to crawl is naive at best. If you chose a flying career, then get your butt out the door, get in a cockpit, and fly. Get some experience. Get your hands dirty. Stop trying to do the bare minimum to curtain climb to the next rung. 13 hours doesn't make you experienced it. Another twelve hours won't either.
Instead of looking for a benefactor to allow you to grace his cockpit for a few hours, get vetted, go through the interview and selection process, get yourself into some equipment that makes you stretch yourself, grow, and from which you'll learn essential lessons that will be in use for the rest of your career.
That will NOT come from another 12 hours in some sugar daddy's light twin.
Go get a damn job flying night freight single pilot IMC in the clag, bust your ass and get real experience, instead of trying to do the bare minimum and get away with doing the very least that you can do.
Holy crap. Seriously. Unbelievable.
Ameriflight is offering bonuses. I seem to see more and more threads by applicants who look to build time (go get experience; forget "time"). Applicants who feel that 1,500 hours is some kind of hardship. 1,500 hours is nothing. This big rush to run before you haven't learned to crawl is naive at best. If you chose a flying career, then get your butt out the door, get in a cockpit, and fly. Get some experience. Get your hands dirty. Stop trying to do the bare minimum to curtain climb to the next rung. 13 hours doesn't make you experienced it. Another twelve hours won't either.
Instead of looking for a benefactor to allow you to grace his cockpit for a few hours, get vetted, go through the interview and selection process, get yourself into some equipment that makes you stretch yourself, grow, and from which you'll learn essential lessons that will be in use for the rest of your career.
That will NOT come from another 12 hours in some sugar daddy's light twin.
Not everyone can/wants to get to job flying multis straight out of flight school. I am actually in the need for 20 hours of multi time to be able to enter a regional and meet the 25 hour requirement. Turns out that I landed a job flying caravans straight out of school (the only airline in my country), have logged 3000 hours on the right seat and 500 (and counting) on the left. I think it is the time for me to move to a bigger plane and I am pushing towards a regional but still applying for the majors. The company I work for pays crap, Can I pay for 40 more multi hours to get my full ATP? I might. Can I pay 20 hours if a regional hires me? Definetly.
Hold your horses. If a regional feels he needs to build more experience according to your rant then so be it. 1500 hours is a lot if you pay them! He is a CFI and has 1100 hours, that is a lot. He needs to get more multi time, so be it.
Gosh
06-04-2015, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by chitolin
Gorgeous! Seems that you landed a multi job straight out of flight school and built your experience there. And now you are a chief pilot/CEO.
Not everyone can/wants to get to job flying multis straight out of flight school.
Not everyone can/wants to get to job flying multis straight out of flight school.
I began flying ag as a teen, and flew five years commercially before I ever had an instrument rating. What I did several decades ago, however, is irrelevant, as I'm not seeking to get by with the bare minimum.
I also never sought the bare minimum.
It seems in the context of this thread that there may be more than a few of the current generation who seek to do as little as possible, learn as little as possible, experience as little as possible, in order to emerge as minimally qualified as possible.
06-04-2015, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
No, it doesn't seem that I did that.
I began flying ag as a teen, and flew five years commercially before I ever had an instrument rating. What I did several decades ago, however, is irrelevant, as I'm not seeking to get by with the bare minimum.
I also never sought the bare minimum.
It seems in the context of this thread that there may be more than a few of the current generation who seek to do as little as possible, learn as little as possible, experience as little as possible, in order to emerge as minimally qualified as possible.
I began flying ag as a teen, and flew five years commercially before I ever had an instrument rating. What I did several decades ago, however, is irrelevant, as I'm not seeking to get by with the bare minimum.
I also never sought the bare minimum.
It seems in the context of this thread that there may be more than a few of the current generation who seek to do as little as possible, learn as little as possible, experience as little as possible, in order to emerge as minimally qualified as possible.
I have never given instruction, but I can assure you flying a regional jet is a lot better than instructing in a 172, for me. Some people might like to stay at a single engine piston for life, some people want a little more.
06-05-2015, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
No, it doesn't seem that I did that.
I began flying ag as a teen, and flew five years commercially before I ever had an instrument rating. What I did several decades ago, however, is irrelevant, as I'm not seeking to get by with the bare minimum.
I also never sought the bare minimum.
It seems in the context of this thread that there may be more than a few of the current generation who seek to do as little as possible, learn as little as possible, experience as little as possible, in order to emerge as minimally qualified as possible.
I began flying ag as a teen, and flew five years commercially before I ever had an instrument rating. What I did several decades ago, however, is irrelevant, as I'm not seeking to get by with the bare minimum.
I also never sought the bare minimum.
It seems in the context of this thread that there may be more than a few of the current generation who seek to do as little as possible, learn as little as possible, experience as little as possible, in order to emerge as minimally qualified as possible.
I just read your reply don't worry sir I will make the time to give u the disrespect you deserve later.
06-05-2015, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
No, it doesn't seem that I did that.
I began flying ag as a teen, and flew five years commercially before I ever had an instrument rating. What I did several decades ago, however, is irrelevant, as I'm not seeking to get by with the bare minimum.
I also never sought the bare minimum.
It seems in the context of this thread that there may be more than a few of the current generation who seek to do as little as possible, learn as little as possible, experience as little as possible, in order to emerge as minimally qualified as possible.
I began flying ag as a teen, and flew five years commercially before I ever had an instrument rating. What I did several decades ago, however, is irrelevant, as I'm not seeking to get by with the bare minimum.
I also never sought the bare minimum.
It seems in the context of this thread that there may be more than a few of the current generation who seek to do as little as possible, learn as little as possible, experience as little as possible, in order to emerge as minimally qualified as possible.
It is my hypothesis that people had different career paths decades ago because the opportunities offered were different, not that folks' self-imposed standards of qualification were different.
06-05-2015, 09:12 AM
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John burke
John,
I appreciate you taking the time that you obviously have so much of to try and trash talk those of us who are trying to do something with their lives. Congratulations on making it wherever you may be or not making it which with the attitude you have I'm guessing not to many airlines want you working for them. The point is you know nothing about me. I came from nothing and I mean nothing. I have paid for everything besides food and housing since I was ten years old. I joined the military and served until I got discharged after 5 years medically. I then moved to south Florida having only my wife and child around. I did this to become a pilot and in under two years I have my ratings and my hours to make it to the airlines minus multi time. In those two years I've worked as much as I could hence all of my ratings and 1100 hours. I gained my associates and now I'm only 5 classes away from my bachelors at Embry Riddle. If you think working as a CFI is not experience then your poorly mistaken. Can I take it that you had a problem with money in order to gain your instrument rating? That seems to be the best solution to not getting such an important rating. Please don't get me wrong everyone has their own circumstances and reasons for why they do things and I am ok with that but thats the exact reason I came here initially. There are very few pilots if you look at other occupations out there and we should be a family willing to help when possible. So for me to ask a perfectly good question and be subjected to your rude and uncalled for remarks makes little sense. If you do not know enough about aviation to understand there are not many jobs out here looking to hire anyone with 13 hours of multi time. That is the reason you have to build time. Now am I wrong to try to use my God given brain to ask for help before using savings that I will surely need down the road. I have a wife and child and what I do will always be to better them. I'm not sure what happened to you in your past but I hope things continue to work out for you.
God bless you sir.
For those of you that are in my shoes I hope it works out for you. I'm sure I will see some of you in class soon enough.
I appreciate you taking the time that you obviously have so much of to try and trash talk those of us who are trying to do something with their lives. Congratulations on making it wherever you may be or not making it which with the attitude you have I'm guessing not to many airlines want you working for them. The point is you know nothing about me. I came from nothing and I mean nothing. I have paid for everything besides food and housing since I was ten years old. I joined the military and served until I got discharged after 5 years medically. I then moved to south Florida having only my wife and child around. I did this to become a pilot and in under two years I have my ratings and my hours to make it to the airlines minus multi time. In those two years I've worked as much as I could hence all of my ratings and 1100 hours. I gained my associates and now I'm only 5 classes away from my bachelors at Embry Riddle. If you think working as a CFI is not experience then your poorly mistaken. Can I take it that you had a problem with money in order to gain your instrument rating? That seems to be the best solution to not getting such an important rating. Please don't get me wrong everyone has their own circumstances and reasons for why they do things and I am ok with that but thats the exact reason I came here initially. There are very few pilots if you look at other occupations out there and we should be a family willing to help when possible. So for me to ask a perfectly good question and be subjected to your rude and uncalled for remarks makes little sense. If you do not know enough about aviation to understand there are not many jobs out here looking to hire anyone with 13 hours of multi time. That is the reason you have to build time. Now am I wrong to try to use my God given brain to ask for help before using savings that I will surely need down the road. I have a wife and child and what I do will always be to better them. I'm not sure what happened to you in your past but I hope things continue to work out for you.
God bless you sir.
For those of you that are in my shoes I hope it works out for you. I'm sure I will see some of you in class soon enough.
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
No, it doesn't seem that I did that.
I began flying ag as a teen, and flew five years commercially before I ever had an instrument rating. What I did several decades ago, however, is irrelevant, as I'm not seeking to get by with the bare minimum.
I also never sought the bare minimum.
It seems in the context of this thread that there may be more than a few of the current generation who seek to do as little as possible, learn as little as possible, experience as little as possible, in order to emerge as minimally qualified as possible.
I began flying ag as a teen, and flew five years commercially before I ever had an instrument rating. What I did several decades ago, however, is irrelevant, as I'm not seeking to get by with the bare minimum.
I also never sought the bare minimum.
It seems in the context of this thread that there may be more than a few of the current generation who seek to do as little as possible, learn as little as possible, experience as little as possible, in order to emerge as minimally qualified as possible.
06-05-2015, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Flightcap
So tell me, as a 20-something years old kid with 1500 TT and 25 Multi, would you have taken the regional airline job, the ag job, or the single pilot freight job if offered all three?
I did take the ag job, and I took it at 250 hours, not 1,500. I was eighteen at the time.
Originally Posted by Bell0805
The point is you know nothing about me.
Originally Posted by Bell0805
I came from nothing and I mean nothing.
You think you're special, don't you? That's your reason for seeking to do the bare minimum? That's your excuse?
Originally Posted by Bell0805
I have paid for everything besides food and housing since I was ten years old. I joined the military and served until I got discharged after 5 years medically. I then moved to south Florida having only my wife and child around. I did this to become a pilot and in under two years I have my ratings and my hours to make it to the airlines minus multi time. In those two years I've worked as much as I could hence all of my ratings and 1100 hours. I gained my associates and now I'm only 5 classes away from my bachelors at Embry Riddle.
You have your basic certification and a modicum of experience. That's nice. Your'e also seeking to get the bare minimum experience, and you sound entitled, as though you feel that by obtaining the bare minimum experience you will be graced with automatic career progression. Check the boxes, climb the curtain, then?
You're married. So are many of the rest of us. You're a riddle rat. How nice. Don't say that too loud.
Originally Posted by Bell0805
If you think working as a CFI is not experience then your poorly mistaken.
Originally Posted by Bell0805
Can I take it that you had a problem with money in order to gain your instrument rating? That seems to be the best solution to not getting such an important rating.
I didn't need an instrument rating; I was flying ag, and didn't have a need. I obtained my instrument in order to obtain my CFI. Is this relevant or important to you for some reason?
Originally Posted by Bell0805
There are very few pilots if you look at other occupations out there and we should be a family willing to help when possible.
Get over it. You want to be worth something in this business, seeking the minimum, and I mean bare minimum qualification is NOT the way to go.
Originally Posted by Bell0805
If you do not know enough about aviation to understand there are not many jobs out here looking to hire anyone with 13 hours of multi time. That is the reason you have to build time. Now am I wrong to try to use my God given brain to ask for help before using savings that I will surely need down the road. I have a wife and child and what I do will always be to better them.
I had less than 13 hours of multi engine experience when I was hired into my first multi engine job. If you don't have that minimal level of experience, stay with your valuable instructing and pick up some multi time. You seem to think that multi experience is a box to check; get the bare minimum, it's enough. You don't need real world experience, just a few hours in a logbook and off you go. Very sad.
You haven't been in aviation very long. I've been in aviation for several decades, and yes, I'm quite aware of what jobs are out there as I keep very close tabs on hiring in the industry. You should, too. It's quite apparent that you don't.
Go on. Seek your minimal qualification and latch onto a regional. Ride it until you're bitter, and then compete with the thousands of other similarly qualified applicants with narrow backgrounds, for your major slot. Celebrate the race to the bottom. Good luck.
Originally Posted by Bell0805
I just read your reply don't worry sir I will make the time to give u the disrespect you deserve later.
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