Multi time help
06-05-2015, 01:14 PM
#22
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I had a lot of turbine experience prior to taking a job flying multi engine piston airplanes. One of my co workers, aware of my past, asked if my former employer would hire him so that he could log 100 hours of turbine time in order to apply at a specific fractional. Yeah, sure, what a great deal for my former employer. Lets get you trained so you can log that 100 hours that will make you so much more skilled and experienced so that you can leave after 2 months. And people wonder why there are training contracts. Unfortunately, this attitude seems more and more common with newer pilots. The whole idea for minimum experience is to progress while you're building time so that when you reach or, ideally, exceed minimums, you're a sharp, trainable, employable pilot. Flight instructing is great and I highly recommend it, but I've tried to train flight instructors as new hires and a few were terrible. You could tell they didn't progress while building time. Instead they shortchanged themselves and probably their poor students.
Your plan to log 12 more hours seems to me to be similar. My question is how did you get your first 13? If you bought it, why not buy more and be done with it. It will all pay off in the end, right? If you find someone with a twin to ride around in, are you going to be able to explain in detail that aircraft that you have logged 13 hours in to the HR panel? Probably not, and if that's the case, its almost the same thing as pencil whipping it.
P.S. 3000 hours in the right seat of a caravan has to be some kind of record.
Your plan to log 12 more hours seems to me to be similar. My question is how did you get your first 13? If you bought it, why not buy more and be done with it. It will all pay off in the end, right? If you find someone with a twin to ride around in, are you going to be able to explain in detail that aircraft that you have logged 13 hours in to the HR panel? Probably not, and if that's the case, its almost the same thing as pencil whipping it.
P.S. 3000 hours in the right seat of a caravan has to be some kind of record.
06-05-2015, 01:45 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by Hand Commander
P.S. 3000 hours in the right seat of a caravan has to be some kind of record.
Says who? You?
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06-05-2015, 02:41 PM
#24
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Not gonna get crazy with this one because i like tot think i know how to respect my elders. I do have a couple of questions? how many hours did you have when you went to the airlines and what did you do to build your time. What do you think would be a better way of gaining time? flying point to point not reviewing any information but a flight plan and some instrument work. You said you have kids so I take it you are not gonna help put them into college because they would then be dependent on you a handout right. How did you pay for your training and if you got loans which i don't see happening because you were flying as a teen did your parents sign for it. Every thing I'm coming to a conclusion on sounds like you and your kids are or will be dependent on someone. Please don't get me wrong I will happily pay for my childs college something that was not offered to me and i will probably do it right seating for you on the start of my career. I am not saying I'm the best pilot to have ever lived or am I saying I should be given multi time. what i will say is I'm a good pilot I have experience and I will do what it takes to get to where I need to be. If the regionals feel I do not have what it takes then believe it or not its their job to make that decision and at that time I can gain some more valuable experience as you say. Which might I say I'm still confused on. What have you done that I have not? flown an ag plane wow great job you got a job that took no effort in doing. Glad you finally became a CFI so you could consistently cause your students to hate their lives.
Now I will not be replying to you again mainly because I rather spend my time trying to do things that are worthwhile within my life. I normally do my best to be nice to people. Where I am from I was taught respect and to never say things unless they are nice. I see it was a little different for you. Must have been stick your nose where it doesn't belong kinda speech. Thanks for your input I will not put it to use.
Now I will not be replying to you again mainly because I rather spend my time trying to do things that are worthwhile within my life. I normally do my best to be nice to people. Where I am from I was taught respect and to never say things unless they are nice. I see it was a little different for you. Must have been stick your nose where it doesn't belong kinda speech. Thanks for your input I will not put it to use.
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
No, it doesn't seem that I did that.
I began flying ag as a teen, and flew five years commercially before I ever had an instrument rating. What I did several decades ago, however, is irrelevant, as I'm not seeking to get by with the bare minimum.
I also never sought the bare minimum.
It seems in the context of this thread that there may be more than a few of the current generation who seek to do as little as possible, learn as little as possible, experience as little as possible, in order to emerge as minimally qualified as possible.
I began flying ag as a teen, and flew five years commercially before I ever had an instrument rating. What I did several decades ago, however, is irrelevant, as I'm not seeking to get by with the bare minimum.
I also never sought the bare minimum.
It seems in the context of this thread that there may be more than a few of the current generation who seek to do as little as possible, learn as little as possible, experience as little as possible, in order to emerge as minimally qualified as possible.
06-05-2015, 06:00 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by Bell0805
how many hours did you have when you went to the airlines and what did you do to build your time.
What you do to get experience is up to you. I did ag, cargo, fractional, parachutists, banner towing, charter, air ambulance, atmospheric research, intelligence work, corporate, various government assignments, firefighting, airline, instructing, etc. Still doing some of those things.
Hours at the time of first airline offer, or first hire? Don't remember. I won't see my logbooks for a few more months, so couldn't tell you. More than a few.
Originally Posted by Bell0805
What do you think would be a better way of gaining time? flying point to point not reviewing any information but a flight plan and some instrument work.
Originally Posted by Bell0805
You said you have kids so I take it you are not gonna help put them into college because they would then be dependent on you a handout right.
You do like to ask a lot of personal questions, don't you? What or how I pay toward my own family's education is entirely irrelevant, and none of your business.
Originally Posted by Bell0805
How did you pay for your training and if you got loans which i don't see happening because you were flying as a teen did your parents sign for it.
Originally Posted by Bell0805
Every thing I'm coming to a conclusion on sounds like you and your kids are or will be dependent on someone.
You keep asking the irrelevant; it appears to be a fascination for you. I'm dependent on no one, and my family is quite self sufficient, but thanks for your concern. It's still not your affair. You may do well to worry about your own finances.
Originally Posted by Bell0805
Please don't get me wrong I will happily pay for my childs college something that was not offered to me and i will probably do it right seating for you on the start of my career.
I don't care what you pay for in your family. It's your own business. Why should we care?
Originally Posted by Bell0805
Which might I say I'm still confused on. What have you done that I have not? flown an ag plane wow great job you got a job that took no effort in doing.
Clearly not.
What language do you think you're attempting to speak?
Originally Posted by Bell0805
Glad you finally became a CFI so you could consistently cause your students to hate their lives.
I've never had a complaint about my service as a primary flight instructor, ground instructor, simulator instructor, check airman, line training captain, or any other capacity when providing performance in single piston and turbine, multi piston and turbine, and turbojet equipment. It's refreshing to know that you're glad, however, because that means a lot.
To someone else.
Originally Posted by Bell0805
Where I am from I was taught respect and to never say things unless they are nice. I see it was a little different for you. Must have been stick your nose where it doesn't belong kinda speech.
Originally Posted by Bell0805
I just read your reply don't worry sir I will make the time to give u the disrespect you deserve later.
06-05-2015, 06:22 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Build experience, not time. Time is worthless. You want time? Write it in your logbook. That's all it's worth. Go get some experience.
What you do to get experience is up to you. I did ag, cargo, fractional, parachutists, banner towing, charter, air ambulance, atmospheric research, intelligence work, corporate, various government assignments, firefighting, airline, instructing, etc. Still doing some of those things.
Hours at the time of first airline offer, or first hire? Don't remember. I won't see my logbooks for a few more months, so couldn't tell you. More than a few.
I have no idea what you are trying to say. Not reviewing information? What does that mean? Are you trying to say you want a job where you do nothing but check a flight plan and fly instruments? Looking for the bare minimum again?
You keep "taking it," and you keep "taking it" incorrectly, don't you? How is that possibly relevant to the price of tea in China?
You do like to ask a lot of personal questions, don't you? What or how I pay toward my own family's education is entirely irrelevant, and none of your business.
Again, irrelevant. I bicycled a long distance every night after school and worked into the night scrubbing airplanes and turning wrenches throughout school to work off the cost of my training, but the details of my own finances are irrelevant and again, not your concern. It's also entirely inconsequential to the subject of your desire to do the bare minimum. You may rest assured that I never did, and no aviator worth his salt seeks to do the bare minimum. It's a **** poor attitude.
English isn't your first language, is it?
You keep asking the irrelevant; it appears to be a fascination for you. I'm dependent on no one, and my family is quite self sufficient, but thanks for your concern. It's still not your affair. You may do well to worry about your own finances.
You won't do it in my cockpit. Not a snowball's chance of that. Right seaters in the environments in which I fly are filled with experienced aviators, and your attitude wouldn't fly. Those who seek the bare minimum are welcome some place else. That regional you're hungering for, perhaps.
I don't care what you pay for in your family. It's your own business. Why should we care?
You've never flown ag, have you?
Clearly not.
What language do you think you're attempting to speak?
You haven't bothered to obtain your multi engine rating on your flight instructor certificate, apparently, or you'd not be whining about multi engine time.
I've never had a complaint about my service as a primary flight instructor, ground instructor, simulator instructor, check airman, line training captain, or any other capacity when providing performance in single piston and turbine, multi piston and turbine, and turbojet equipment. It's refreshing to know that you're glad, however, because that means a lot.
To someone else.
Would that include prying into personal finance repeatedly, as well as your backhanded insults? Watch where you put that nose. Some places might not be quite so friendly as a web board.
Still waiting. You keep racing for the bottom. I'll stand by. You won't be long; it doesn't sound like a long trip.
What you do to get experience is up to you. I did ag, cargo, fractional, parachutists, banner towing, charter, air ambulance, atmospheric research, intelligence work, corporate, various government assignments, firefighting, airline, instructing, etc. Still doing some of those things.
Hours at the time of first airline offer, or first hire? Don't remember. I won't see my logbooks for a few more months, so couldn't tell you. More than a few.
I have no idea what you are trying to say. Not reviewing information? What does that mean? Are you trying to say you want a job where you do nothing but check a flight plan and fly instruments? Looking for the bare minimum again?
You keep "taking it," and you keep "taking it" incorrectly, don't you? How is that possibly relevant to the price of tea in China?
You do like to ask a lot of personal questions, don't you? What or how I pay toward my own family's education is entirely irrelevant, and none of your business.
Again, irrelevant. I bicycled a long distance every night after school and worked into the night scrubbing airplanes and turning wrenches throughout school to work off the cost of my training, but the details of my own finances are irrelevant and again, not your concern. It's also entirely inconsequential to the subject of your desire to do the bare minimum. You may rest assured that I never did, and no aviator worth his salt seeks to do the bare minimum. It's a **** poor attitude.
English isn't your first language, is it?
You keep asking the irrelevant; it appears to be a fascination for you. I'm dependent on no one, and my family is quite self sufficient, but thanks for your concern. It's still not your affair. You may do well to worry about your own finances.
You won't do it in my cockpit. Not a snowball's chance of that. Right seaters in the environments in which I fly are filled with experienced aviators, and your attitude wouldn't fly. Those who seek the bare minimum are welcome some place else. That regional you're hungering for, perhaps.
I don't care what you pay for in your family. It's your own business. Why should we care?
You've never flown ag, have you?
Clearly not.
What language do you think you're attempting to speak?
You haven't bothered to obtain your multi engine rating on your flight instructor certificate, apparently, or you'd not be whining about multi engine time.
I've never had a complaint about my service as a primary flight instructor, ground instructor, simulator instructor, check airman, line training captain, or any other capacity when providing performance in single piston and turbine, multi piston and turbine, and turbojet equipment. It's refreshing to know that you're glad, however, because that means a lot.
To someone else.
Would that include prying into personal finance repeatedly, as well as your backhanded insults? Watch where you put that nose. Some places might not be quite so friendly as a web board.
Still waiting. You keep racing for the bottom. I'll stand by. You won't be long; it doesn't sound like a long trip.
06-05-2015, 06:43 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by 2ndtimearound
You, Sir, are a true, miserable, negative, POS! Go Eff Yourself! I really don't give a flying fuk who, what, how or when you fly anything. You obviously think you are the purest example of an aviator and if anyone doesn't follow your career path then they're worthless. I, Sir am a wealthy CEO who earned a degree in aviation as a young man and strived to gain the "hours" to advance my career. Isn't it the "hours" that drives this career? I left this field because of narrow minded nitwits as yourself. If you're such an experienced aviator then why are you trolling on regional chat rooms posting negative sh1t to young aggressive and driven, positive people attempting to better their lives? Get a life.
You ask why I'm posting on a "regional chat room." I'm not. This isn't a chat room, and it involves a lot more than regional pilots.
You might ask yourself why you're posting at all, if you left the industry.
Those "young, aggressive, driven, positive people are attempting to do the bare minimum, and seeking to get away with as little as possible in order to climb the velvet curtain. It's a **** poor attitude for someone attempting to undertake a career.
Perhaps that's why your career faltered and failed, too.
It's interesting that you've only got eight posts and are spouting this sort of drivel. Interestingly, hand commander has only six, and bell0805 eight posts. Chitolin fifteen posts, and asaintbernard is the old timer at 36 posts. All very similar and minimal, very similar posts and responses. Not as immature as yours but similar in nature. Telling, too.
You posted in one location that you quit eighteen years ago, and in another post that it was nineteen. Sounds very much like someone else here whom we know well. You say you're not working as a pilot, don't have the qualifications to be an ATP presently, and have refrained from applying due to your past. It's good to know that you're a "wealthy CEO," though. Skyhigh, reinvented under a new screen name?
06-05-2015, 07:02 PM
#28
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Posts: 11
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Now there's some intellectual, professional talk from a mature individual, if ever there was one. Left the industry, you say?
You ask why I'm posting on a "regional chat room." I'm not. This isn't a chat room, and it involves a lot more than regional pilots.
You might ask yourself why you're posting at all, if you left the industry.
Those "young, aggressive, driven, positive people are attempting to do the bare minimum, and seeking to get away with as little as possible in order to climb the velvet curtain. It's a **** poor attitude for someone attempting to undertake a career.
Perhaps that's why your career faltered and failed, too.
It's interesting that you've only got eight posts and are spouting this sort of drivel. Interestingly, hand commander has only six, and bell0805 eight posts. Chitolin fifteen posts, and asaintbernard is the old timer at 36 posts. All very similar and minimal, very similar posts and responses. Not as immature as yours but similar in nature. Telling, too.
You posted in one location that you quit eighteen years ago, and in another post that it was nineteen. Sounds very much like someone else here whom we know well. You say you're not working as a pilot, don't have the qualifications to be an ATP presently, and have refrained from applying due to your past. It's good to know that you're a "wealthy CEO," though. Skyhigh, reinvented under a new screen name?
You ask why I'm posting on a "regional chat room." I'm not. This isn't a chat room, and it involves a lot more than regional pilots.
You might ask yourself why you're posting at all, if you left the industry.
Those "young, aggressive, driven, positive people are attempting to do the bare minimum, and seeking to get away with as little as possible in order to climb the velvet curtain. It's a **** poor attitude for someone attempting to undertake a career.
Perhaps that's why your career faltered and failed, too.
It's interesting that you've only got eight posts and are spouting this sort of drivel. Interestingly, hand commander has only six, and bell0805 eight posts. Chitolin fifteen posts, and asaintbernard is the old timer at 36 posts. All very similar and minimal, very similar posts and responses. Not as immature as yours but similar in nature. Telling, too.
You posted in one location that you quit eighteen years ago, and in another post that it was nineteen. Sounds very much like someone else here whom we know well. You say you're not working as a pilot, don't have the qualifications to be an ATP presently, and have refrained from applying due to your past. It's good to know that you're a "wealthy CEO," though. Skyhigh, reinvented under a new screen name?
Why don't you address or defend your negativity?
06-05-2015, 08:42 PM
#29
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Originally Posted by 2ndtimearound
FYI, my career wasn't failed; it was a well informed and conscience decision due to a failed industry at the time.
Failed industry? For you, perhaps. For tens of thousands of us, not so much.
Now, as a "wealthy CEO," you're seeking a way back into the "failed industry" some eighteen or nineteen years later (despite a background which you say may prevent you from getting hired), as a regional first officer.
As a "highly successful CEO," you say your career wasn't a failed one, even though you never got far enough to have enough flying experience to qualify for an ATP. Sounds successful, but then so does any career from which one quits, right skyhigh?
Originally Posted by 2ndtimearound
Why don't you address or defend your negativity?
06-05-2015, 09:08 PM
#30
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Posts: 11
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Eighteen or nineteen years ago (you can't seem to decide as you've claimed both) I was a working professional pilot. You quit.
Failed industry? For you, perhaps. For tens of thousands of us, not so much.
Now, as a "wealthy CEO," you're seeking a way back into the "failed industry" some eighteen or nineteen years later (despite a background which you say may prevent you from getting hired), as a regional first officer.
As a "highly successful CEO," you say your career wasn't a failed one, even though you never got far enough to have enough flying experience to qualify for an ATP. Sounds successful, but then so does any career from which one quits, right skyhigh?
No need. I'm not the one whining about a "failed industry."
Failed industry? For you, perhaps. For tens of thousands of us, not so much.
Now, as a "wealthy CEO," you're seeking a way back into the "failed industry" some eighteen or nineteen years later (despite a background which you say may prevent you from getting hired), as a regional first officer.
As a "highly successful CEO," you say your career wasn't a failed one, even though you never got far enough to have enough flying experience to qualify for an ATP. Sounds successful, but then so does any career from which one quits, right skyhigh?
No need. I'm not the one whining about a "failed industry."
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