Multi time help
06-05-2015, 09:13 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Eighteen or nineteen years ago (you can't seem to decide as you've claimed both) I was a working professional pilot. You quit.
Failed industry? For you, perhaps. For tens of thousands of us, not so much.
Now, as a "wealthy CEO," you're seeking a way back into the "failed industry" some eighteen or nineteen years later (despite a background which you say may prevent you from getting hired), as a regional first officer.
As a "highly successful CEO," you say your career wasn't a failed one, even though you never got far enough to have enough flying experience to qualify for an ATP. Sounds successful, but then so does any career from which one quits, right skyhigh?
No need. I'm not the one whining about a "failed industry."
Failed industry? For you, perhaps. For tens of thousands of us, not so much.
Now, as a "wealthy CEO," you're seeking a way back into the "failed industry" some eighteen or nineteen years later (despite a background which you say may prevent you from getting hired), as a regional first officer.
As a "highly successful CEO," you say your career wasn't a failed one, even though you never got far enough to have enough flying experience to qualify for an ATP. Sounds successful, but then so does any career from which one quits, right skyhigh?
No need. I'm not the one whining about a "failed industry."
06-05-2015, 10:09 PM
#32
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Sorry to interrupt the match. My .02 I instructed/ skydivers till 1000 then got a 135 right seat in a metro with 12 hrs of multi. Sat fo for about a year then upgraded to the left side for about a year. The fo pay was better than some regionals. I'm at a regional now in ordered to gain experience and attempt to see the industry from all views. So far the 135 freight was by far the most exciting/ scary/rewarding/ stressful/challenging/ tiring position I've held so far. I like to think these various positions have made me personally a better pilot. All the luck to you op it's a tough gig but if you can swallow all the bs I think you'll be good. P.s I'm sorry for the grammar try to look past. It's been a long day and honestly to care enough. Have a good night
06-05-2015, 11:05 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by 2ndtimearound
I will NEVER have to listen to your miserable words of doom as young and aspiring pilots do. You, Sir, are a stain on this industry.
It's interesting that you're trying to get back into the "failed industry" that you abandoned.
You bailed out 18 or 19 years ago, which would be in the late 90's. You state "Appearantly many, such as yourself, didn't have the foresight to see the future of aviation in the early 90's." This is a strange comment, given that I was working in the industry well before that, during that time, and well after, until the current day. This failed industry to which you refer, aviation, the one I didn't have the foresight with which to see the future of aviation (and the one from which you quit), this is the industry to which you're attempting to return?
Did you not just say that this is your dream, this failed industry that you quit? It's your dream to return, and you've recently posted that you're hoping to get into a regional airline, as a first officer, even though it's a failed industry? How is it that I didn't have the foresight to see the future of the industry, this one you quit and abandoned, then? I'm still here. Welcome back. Your copilot seat is waiting out there somewhere...if you find yourself eventually qualified to fill that seat, of course.
Originally Posted by 2ndtimearound
Second, I have no clue of your reference to "SkyHigh". Additionally. I have a BS degree in Aviation and a Dual MS in Aviation from ER. I also have other advanced degrees outside of aviation. Care to disclose your education Sir?
You'll find whatever you want to know about my education by using the search function. It still works.
06-06-2015, 04:34 PM
#34
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If being an ag pilot (SINGLE ag pilot, my horrific mistake), freight pilot, fractional, parachutists, banner towing, charter, air ambulance, atmospheric research, intelligence work, corporate, various government assignments, firefighting, airline, instructing, etc. makes me disdain others' career paths and go to great lengths to tell them so, I'd rather avoid those options.
Additionally, "riddle rat." Really?
To the OP: Cape Air is a decent option if you are able to relocate. It's a great gig from what people have said.
Additionally, "riddle rat." Really?
To the OP: Cape Air is a decent option if you are able to relocate. It's a great gig from what people have said.
06-06-2015, 04:44 PM
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Its ok guys no one truly cares what he says. We will all continue to do our best and further our careers. Thanks for everyones input.2ndtime around congrats on your success I hope you can do the same in the airline industry now that your ready to follow that path.
06-06-2015, 04:52 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by Flightcap
If being an ag pilot (SINGLE ag pilot, my horrific mistake), freight pilot, fractional, parachutists, banner towing, charter, air ambulance, atmospheric research, intelligence work, corporate, various government assignments, firefighting, airline, instructing, etc. makes me disdain others' career paths and go to great lengths to tell them so, I'd rather avoid those options.
My statement here: get experience. It's that which has the inexperienced and the quitters riled up, and it's that which has them wetting their pants and posting immature drivel at the level of a 14 year old.
When some wish to do the bare minimum that they can possibly get away with, who profess a desire to do a job which requires nothing more than receiving a paper and flying instruments, and who couldn't possibly be bothered to go get real world experience, it's little wonder such would be upset at the concept of working for a living, or bettering themselves by improving their skills and abilities.
Why do that, when they can get 12 hours in the cockpit, count themselves experienced, and march out to conquer the world?
For some, apparently "get experience" equates to stealing souls, destroying dreams, and damning them for eternity. "Get experience" is apparently a painful thing to hear, and one which condemns entire segments of the industry (ones on which they're not qualified to comment and have never done, as they have no experience). It appears that some here, all inexperienced and some quitters of the profession, and deeply troubled by the admonition to seek experience, and are quite content to read into it whatever they will. Far better to roll around and whine and cry than to get their butt out the door and get some experience.
06-06-2015, 05:22 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
I said nothing about distain for other career paths. I've done those career paths. Some, am doing. No distain at all.
My statement here: get experience. It's that which has the inexperienced and the quitters riled up, and it's that which has them wetting their pants and posting immature drivel at the level of a 14 year old.
When some wish to do the bare minimum that they can possibly get away with, who profess a desire to do a job which requires nothing more than receiving a paper and flying instruments, and who couldn't possibly be bothered to go get real world experience, it's little wonder such would be upset at the concept of working for a living, or bettering themselves by improving their skills and abilities.
Why do that, when they can get 12 hours in the cockpit, count themselves experienced, and march out to conquer the world?
For some, apparently "get experience" equates to stealing souls, destroying dreams, and damning them for eternity. "Get experience" is apparently a painful thing to hear, and one which condemns entire segments of the industry (ones on which they're not qualified to comment and have never done, as they have no experience). It appears that some here, all inexperienced and some quitters of the profession, and deeply troubled by the admonition to seek experience, and are quite content to read into it whatever they will. Far better to roll around and whine and cry than to get their butt out the door and get some experience.
My statement here: get experience. It's that which has the inexperienced and the quitters riled up, and it's that which has them wetting their pants and posting immature drivel at the level of a 14 year old.
When some wish to do the bare minimum that they can possibly get away with, who profess a desire to do a job which requires nothing more than receiving a paper and flying instruments, and who couldn't possibly be bothered to go get real world experience, it's little wonder such would be upset at the concept of working for a living, or bettering themselves by improving their skills and abilities.
Why do that, when they can get 12 hours in the cockpit, count themselves experienced, and march out to conquer the world?
For some, apparently "get experience" equates to stealing souls, destroying dreams, and damning them for eternity. "Get experience" is apparently a painful thing to hear, and one which condemns entire segments of the industry (ones on which they're not qualified to comment and have never done, as they have no experience). It appears that some here, all inexperienced and some quitters of the profession, and deeply troubled by the admonition to seek experience, and are quite content to read into it whatever they will. Far better to roll around and whine and cry than to get their butt out the door and get some experience.
I don't think today's pilots are averse to gaining experience. I think today's pilots have a different reality with opportunities presented at very different levels and blends of experience. This spawns different behavior patterns such as exhibited by the OP.
The awkward reality of the industry today is that certain categories of flight time require relatively high minima to other categories. The most glaring example is Total Time versus Multi. In today's hiring environment, a pilot's best opportunity to gain multi time often is at a 135 company. At 135 minimums of 1200 Total Time, many pilots already qualify for the R-ATP.
Therefore, an average CFI or other pilot almost ready to make the airline jump has a choice: Buy, beg, or network about 12 hours of multi time to reach R-ATP minimums, or agree to a year(s)-long commitment to a 135 company to get those 12 hours. The first option allows for rapid progression to the airlines and taking advantage of the best hiring environment in decades. The second option signals career delay by the seniority and timing lost while at the 135 gig. While the experience gained flying 135 is certainly unique and highly valuable, the value proposition simply won't be attractive enough to many young pilots.
Full disclosure: I am a CFI currently about six to seven months from reaching R-ATP TT mins, already above R-ATP multi mins. I just interviewed at a single pilot 135 freight charter operation. My motivations were not the type of experience, though I won't regret getting that experience. My motivations were scheduling, basing, and better average pay over the first five years of employment.
06-07-2015, 09:47 AM
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06-07-2015, 06:26 PM
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Not what I expected but u will happily say thAnkyou so no matter the outcome I appreciate it
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
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