I will admit to not knowing that much of the new Delta scope language. I do know that there are 23, 76 seaters available under the NWA scope clause.
Now if you tell me that there are no more available under the Delta contract, I believe you cause I don't know. However there isn't a merger yet and I can still hope for more.
Honestly, I guess I would like to see us (XJ) get to two fleet types. 900's and about 100 SAAB replacements. I would REALLY like for mainline to get a DC9 replacement, so some guys above me will take the flow. I am too old to go so I would like to be a captain with a descent schedule.
I like that vibe right there. But take the word Captain and replace it with better FO schedule for me. Gotta spend time with the kids.
How is the trip trading program at Mesaba? Paper/Fax (sucks)
Is the staffing adequate to shuffle trips and or personal drop once in awhile? Almost always.
How is the commutability of the MSP lines for both SAAB and the CRJ200 or 900? Don't know....I'm DTW based!!
Is it PBS or do you have a committee that builds the lines? PBS is "supposidly" in the works but we do paper bidding right now. Lines are built by the company.
How is the trip trading program at Mesaba? Paper/Fax (sucks)
Is the staffing adequate to shuffle trips and or personal drop once in awhile? Almost always.
How is the commutability of the MSP lines for both SAAB and the CRJ200 or 900? Don't know....I'm DTW based!!
Is it PBS or do you have a committee that builds the lines? PBS is "supposidly" in the works but we do paper bidding right now. Lines are built by the company.
Thanks! Sounds like your pilot group needs a pilot forum. (Disregard - just found yours)
Hate to be the party pooper, but take a look at when their contract is amendable, and imagine when the fleet reduction(furloughs) will happen, prior to the saab replacements coming on board....
Hate to be the party pooper, but take a look at when their contract is amendable, and imagine when the fleet reduction(furloughs) will happen, prior to the saab replacements coming on board....
With the new aircraft came a 6 year contract, so we are amendable in 3+ years.
Considering nothing happens that fast I suspect that the SAAB replacements could come later than that. The only but in the issue is whether or not "Delta" or "Northwest" require more 70+ seat aircraft. The only way that can happen with the scope on 70+ seat jets is to do a 70+ seat turboprop. A Q400 is plenty fast and has plenty of range to replace the AVRO and we flew those things all over the place.
Mesaba could really save some money on salaries, there are many senior jet Capts. that would go to a Q400.
With the new aircraft came a 6 year contract, so we are amendable in 3+ years.
Considering nothing happens that fast I suspect that the SAAB replacements could come later than that. The only but in the issue is whether or not "Delta" or "Northwest" require more 70+ seat aircraft. The only way that can happen with the scope on 70+ seat jets is to do a 70+ seat turboprop. A Q400 is plenty fast and has plenty of range to replace the AVRO and we flew those things all over the place.
Mesaba could really save some money on salaries, there are many senior jet Capts. that would go to a Q400.
Or they could honestly take out six seats out of a 900, and presto!!!! No more scope issues. They could also take out two rows of coach and add on row of first class, and once again they are below the scope limit. All these guys claiming that scope is ironclad keep forgetting that it limits the seats and the weight but not the aircraft. The 900 is below the weight limit (87000ish i believe) and changing seating configuration is not that difficult, as in reality it started out as a 90 aircraft, and ironically I believe mainline had a scope clause to some effect on 90 seat aircraft?
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There are 18 frames available in the current NWA scope, not 23. As for the new DL scope, we're already over the limit, when you add up all the 76ers from all the airlines. IMO our growth is going to start with the Freedom 7 and go from there. Of course, if Compass is wiped off the map that frees up a lot of 76er opportunity. Just sayin...
Before the current DL scope cap given up in Ch11 of 76 seat seats, it was 70. Skywest took delivery of 900s configured for 70 seats. It would be so easy for the new DL to allocate 900s with 70 seats in them and then as manline grows, more 900s can be operated, reconfigure the planes.
Whatever the reasons, we're positioning for growth beyond the 4 more 900s we've got coming. Again, you all do the math, but to stick your head in the sand and ignore the facts is just shortsightedness.
There are 18 frames available in the current NWA scope, not 23. As for the new DL scope, we're already over the limit, when you add up all the 76ers from all the airlines. IMO our growth is going to start with the Freedom 7 and go from there. Of course, if Compass is wiped off the map that frees up a lot of 76er opportunity. Just sayin...
Before the current DL scope cap given up in Ch11 of 76 seat seats, it was 70. Skywest took delivery of 900s configured for 70 seats. It would be so easy for the new DL to allocate 900s with 70 seats in them and then as manline grows, more 900s can be operated, reconfigure the planes.
Whatever the reasons, we're positioning for growth beyond the 4 more 900s we've got coming. Again, you all do the math, but to stick your head in the sand and ignore the facts is just shortsightedness.
Bored,
I've been reading this thread for awhile and completely agree. The staffing that we are going through right now is NOT for "more flying" without additional airframes. While it's probably a reasonable knee-jerk reaction to believe that new airframes are not coming (not you, but others) with what we've been through, it's not rational with the expected hiring.
I believe that the additional aircraft / flying will just be re-assignments from other DCI carriers as they will want to position more income within wholly owned carriers. It makes all the sense in the world.
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