There are many rational answers to your questions but I'm not sure any will make you feel better. The one big one for me is the Anderson factor. It is no secret that R. Anderson knows Mesaba and probably has personal financial interest in Mesaba or knows people VERY close to him that does. He is much closer to the people at Mesaba with regard to relationships than he ever will be with Comair. I can't answer why Comair got the planes and lost them outside of the fact that they did.
The Pinnacle deal makes total sense. You already have airplanes dressed in Delta colors. Why make them wait for brand new ones over the next "x" months when you can wait until the deal is done and deliver the new birds appropriately.
You have fair questions while simply retreating from the past beatings but what we are seeing is FAR from past practices. If all of what they are doing and what we know so far is just for more lines on current aircraft, it's the biggest unnecessary snow job in recent memory and that goes back pretty far.
Also, what we are seeing right now in terms of hiring is NOT general staffing; it's preparing. There is a big difference. I know the situation you speak of well but this is not the same.
For the last time I am not trying to say that Mesaba will not get the new a/c so stop trying to argue that point. I think they will end up with more airplanes and a new base (which requires more reserves) and that is why I think they are hiring more pilots. My only arguement was when people come on here and say the hiring increase is PROOF that Mesaba is getting the aircraft. There is still no proof Xj is getting any new airplanes, that is the only point I am trying to make, nor I am rooting against XJ to get them. I actually have an interview with XJ later this month hence the only reason I am on the board and reading what is going on. I don't want to be like the new hire Comair guys that were hired to fly aircraft that never showed up, it is a valid comparision, not an exact mirror image of what is going on at XJ but it is a valid point to make I believe. You can come up with as many talking points you want to back your beliefs but based on history I know that airlines are historically very bad at predicting staffing levels. More planes at XJ sounds good and you can hope you're going to get them but lets not say the current hiring level is proof of anything.
What type of enforcement does Mesaba have in regards to their requirement of one "surrendering" their seniority with other carriers?
I am aware that they ask if you are willing to do it during the application process, and it is also part of the "Pilot Agreement" that you sign and turn in at the interview... but... come class date, is there any enforcement or verification?
Anyone with first-hand experience who wants to chime in, please do so.
Oh and I'm looking for some detailed information if anyone has it.. not just Yes they do, or No they don't.
Thanks!
-FA
Yes. About 3 or 4 days prior to class I received an e-mail from Mesaba HR with a surrender seniority letter as an attachment. It had blanks for you to fill in your name, company, and HR contacts at your current company. You had to respond to the e-mail saying that you understand, and on the first day of class they collect the completed form within the first 5-10 min. They are serious! What airline are you comming from that you would want to go back to? I e-mailed my union rep and he said that my company would more then likely disreguard these leters, as they did after their 9/11 furlough.
Yes. About 3 or 4 days prior to class I received an e-mail from Mesaba HR with a surrender seniority letter as an attachment. It had blanks for you to fill in your name, company, and HR contacts at your current company. You had to respond to the e-mail saying that you understand, and on the first day of class they collect the completed form within the first 5-10 min. They are serious! What airline are you comming from that you would want to go back to? I e-mailed my union rep and he said that my company would more then likely disreguard these leters, as they did after their 9/11 furlough.
Mesaba HR will follow up with the company to make sure that the number is surrendered. If you dont want to give up your seniority number elsewhere, dont come to XJ. Give someone else a chance who is serious about working here.
Why would a company disregard a letter of resignation? At what point do you think they'd take it seriously? Here's something serious: don't waste our time and resources if you're not serious about Mesaba. There are too many people out there that want the job and are serious about it. Don't spoil it for those people.
Here's something serious: don't waste our time and resources if you're not serious about Mesaba. There are too many people out there that want the job and are serious about it. Don't spoil it for those people.
I don't want to be like the new hire Comair guys that were hired to fly aircraft that never showed up, it is a valid comparision, not an exact mirror image of what is going on at XJ but it is a valid point to make I believe.
Didn't mean to test your patience. It is valid only by perception and not so much by industry rationale with all variables examined on this particular situation.
I hope you do join Mesaba as it is a good place to be now and the foreseeable future.
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For the last time I am not trying to say that Mesaba will not get the new a/c so stop trying to argue that point. I think they will end up with more airplanes and a new base (which requires more reserves) and that is why I think they are hiring more pilots. My only arguement was when people come on here and say the hiring increase is PROOF that Mesaba is getting the aircraft. There is still no proof Xj is getting any new airplanes, that is the only point I am trying to make, nor I am rooting against XJ to get them. I actually have an interview with XJ later this month hence the only reason I am on the board and reading what is going on. I don't want to be like the new hire Comair guys that were hired to fly aircraft that never showed up, it is a valid comparision, not an exact mirror image of what is going on at XJ but it is a valid point to make I believe. You can come up with as many talking points you want to back your beliefs but based on history I know that airlines are historically very bad at predicting staffing levels. More planes at XJ sounds good and you can hope you're going to get them but lets not say the current hiring level is proof of anything.
Ditto, I agree with you. I'm one of those Comair poolies and, 'til I actually get to sit in a plane with Mesaba, I'm prepared for the worst and am skeptical by nature. I'm just hoping for the best that XJ is indeed hiring for valid reasons and not "potential" planes.
Mesaba HR will follow up with the company to make sure that the number is surrendered. If you dont want to give up your seniority number elsewhere, dont come to XJ. Give someone else a chance who is serious about working here.
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Why would a company disregard a letter of resignation? At what point do you think they'd take it seriously? Here's something serious: don't waste our time and resources if you're not serious about Mesaba. There are too many people out there that want the job and are serious about it. Don't spoil it for those people.
I think you took me the wrong way. I have the job with Mesaba now, and I was more then happy to give up my number at another company to have the opportunity to work here. I was just stating that my union rep said that the company would probably call me back anyway. This came up through an e-mail with him about turning in my badge and letting him know I had a new job lined up. In the chance that my old company would call back, it probably wouldn’t be for another 2 years or so until they got to me so why would I want to go back to the bottom of a list? Plus, their future does not look so good anyway. Mesaba is my new home.
Sorry if I made anyone angry, or sounded like I was not happy that I had the job here. That’s the thing about forums; you can’t hear the tone of voice.
Hmmm the 2 nicest hotels we stayed at that I know of were the one in Aspen (at $400 per night) that we haven't served since the Avros left and probably won't again and the Mariott Muscle Shoals that is normally a "highspeed overnight" i.e. very short overnight where you are actually on duty while there so no time to enjoy the stay....
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