Originally Posted by jayray2

How often are you shooting approaches with visibility less than 1 mile? People have to start somewhere, we all aren't born with all these hours of experience.

Originally Posted by Andrew_VT

I think his point is that any pilot should have flown an approach to actual minimums before they came to Mesaba.

I had my students flying around in actual and shooting real approaches for a couple of hours each when they were still private students, let alone instrument ones (not to be proficient but just for the experience). Thats they way I was trained, and it made sense to me.

I can't speak for how it works at big flight schools or colleges, but I've heard more than one captain gripe about the lack of actual instrument experience by some FOs.

Originally Posted by djrogs03

I overheared in a crewroom last week one night when the weather was crappy in MSP an FO ask another FO if Minimums are based off AGL or MSL...scary

Originally Posted by tom14cat14

I have heard captains say,"how do i program the fms!!!" wow how can they fly if they dont know that...... That is sarcasm for those about to chew me out. My point is people forget even the stupid little things, it happens at least they were smart enough to ask the question. I am sick of hearing how everyone is better then everyone else. IT IS WHAT IT IS SO DEAL WITH IT!!!!!

Originally Posted by djrogs03

I overheared in a crewroom last week one night when the weather was crappy in MSP an FO ask another FO if Minimums are based off AGL or MSL...scary

Originally Posted by tom14cat14

I have heard captains say,"how do i program the fms!!!" wow how can they fly if they dont know that...... That is sarcasm for those about to chew me out. My point is people forget even the stupid little things, it happens at least they were smart enough to ask the question. I am sick of hearing how everyone is better then everyone else. IT IS WHAT IT IS SO DEAL WITH IT!!!!!

Originally Posted by 405PA

Just because you want something doesn't mean you deserve it. I want a million dollars. The whole point is what you're willing to put in determines your character. I think we are plenty stocked up on people who don't have the desire to be a pilot, but they would rather put on the uniform and call themselves an airline pilot.



I'm burned out from people saying "wow I have never shot an approach this low" when the visibility is <1 mi. I'm burned out on people with a 1,000 hours talkling about building time for the upgrade. You are not here to build time. You are here as a required crew member that is your job. I'm not bitter about what I had to do to get where I am I enjoyed all the jobs I had before working in 121(I definatly didn't instruct for a decade). I'm just sick of people who think putting on the uniform and collecting min guarantee is the end all.

Enjoy where you are at when the time is right the right place will find you.

Originally Posted by tom14cat14

I have heard captains say,"how do i program the fms!!!" wow how can they fly if they dont know that...... That is sarcasm for those about to chew me out. My point is people forget even the stupid little things, it happens at least they were smart enough to ask the question. I am sick of hearing how everyone is better then everyone else. IT IS WHAT IT IS SO DEAL WITH IT!!!!!

Originally Posted by CRJPlt

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!