You think huh? Okay . . . What specific items and happenings about these firings leads you to believe that they were justified. Simple, clear explainations will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
in one case in the 9th district, refusal to prosecute illegal immigrants for violation of federal law. wait!?! never mind this isn't a political forum. if you want to spew all that garbage try the Huffington Post! back to Skywest and ALPA.
They knew exactly what they were in for.
Seem's pretty clear. If we didn't follow instructions given by our superiors (or FAA Regulations), we'd be gone too.
I suppose airline pilots are exept from this type of thinking, and that they really don't know what they are getting into?
I also knew a lot of FAA Controllers that were fired by Reagan . . . . where was their Union to bail them out? Oh Yea, that's right, their Union actually told them to break the law (And they DID!) I forgot!
I also knew a lot of FAA Controllers that were fired by Reagan . . . . where was their Union to bail them out? Oh Yea, that's right, their Union actually told them to break the law (And they DID!) I forgot!
Bill Clinton fired ALL 93 U.S. Attorneys. No one made a stink, its called executive powers. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
I don't think the problem is the firing of the attorneys...more about the constant lying about the real reasons. Had Gonzalez came out and just said...yes it was political...they were politically appointed and politically fired there would have been no issues. With his "I don't recall" and his support staff's "5th ammendant right" stuff...he just dug himself a hole and it makes him look bad.
Care to share the circumstances surrounding their firing? Since being here I've heard of a lot of people doing a lot of not-so-smart things and all of them are still around.
no problem, i will ask my buddy to fill me in when he gets back from a trip. i just don't want to give info that might reveal who he is (since he doesn't want to get fired either)
and come one guys, we all know about ellen. she has never been a pilot and has never flown for an airline. attempting to have a logical and thought out conversation with her is pointless since she lacks the experience and know how of actually being in the industry. i mean seriously. we are talking about skywest and alpa and she is talking about alberto gonzales and some fired attorneys. just look at her posts and you will see that her wild agenda is showing. just look at her thread "ALPA attack on skywest fails".. hahahaha, posting a company release as news??? yet she didn't mention alpas victory in allowing pilots to support and discuss alpa in preperation for a vote. yes, her agenda is showing.
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Ok I've argued with Stick in the past, but I have to say I definitely agree with him on this one. Everyone makes mistakes, I bet every single one of you have done SOMETHING you could have either lost your job for (without a union) or been violated by the FAA. Sure letting an intern fly sounds stupid but at the time it probably seemed harmless, I mean with two pilots watching there's not much they could possibly do that would be more dangerous than someone flying a first IOE flight. the interns at ASA fly the sims more than the trainees, the only difference is they aren't yet trained in standardization. I'm not defending it because I think it was a good idea, obviously stupid, but just because its an example of how someone's judgement could be clouded just like everysingle pilot out there has done at some point in time. Would you want your family on an airplane with an FO on IOE doing their first landing ever? probably not. I'd say that's more dangerous than letting an intern sit in the pilot seat during cruise. As I said I'm not excusing the behaviour, because it was not something that should be done, but would you really think a pilot doing that deserves to lose their job, and ruin thier career for the rest of their life? I'd say that's a little harsh. I think Unions are great and obviously it would be of benefit to us at ASA if skywest had a union, but if I worked at an entirely different airline I would still tell the pilots at skywest I think it is definitely worth it. Having someone back you up in case of an emergency, and also to help improve the standards for all pilots. Although ASA may not look like a good example of that because of the pay right now, but there are several things in our contract that are much better than the FAA rules for rest and duty periods that better the QOL.
First off, I used to fly for ASA. ASA was a great company, and no longer is. Their pilot group is the only great thing left.
ALPA is not what Skywest needs. It’s been said many times that representation is what Skywest needs and I'm not disputing that fact. But ALPA would ruin what those pilots have worked for. I feel the only reason that ASA pilots want Skywest to vote in the union, is for the chance a merger were to happen. Then they would be protected. You do not care for Skywest's best interest, your just covering your own behind. Be a man and tell us the real reason you want ALPA at Skywest!
And your story about an intern in the cockpit flying your airplane, here’s the real story. Interns at ASA are granted access to the jump seat for all ASA flights. An intern jump seated on your flight. You were gun hoe on impressing this intern, so in mid-flight you got out of your seat, sat on your chart case and told the intern to take your seat. You had him click off the autopilot and make small turns, climbs, descents and so on. This is your reasoning why skywest should vote yes to ALPA, because they will save your job when you’re a complete jack@ss. Well then all pilots who are not PROFESSIONALS should vote yes to ALPA at Skywest.
I’ve rambled on too much. I’m a person who never posts, but I could not pass this chance up.
Stick: You are no professional, you really shouldn’t be giving advise to anyone, and you should have lost your job a long time ago.
I would love to meet you face to face and see if you would tell me to be a man, but that is another matter....
To respond to your post,
a. "I feel the only reason that ASA pilots want Skywest to vote in the union, is for the chance a merger were to happen. "
That's simply false. Does that represent the desire of some of the pilots? Of course it does, but most simply want the whip saw to stop. The trading aircraft and pitting one group against another.
b. "You do not care for Skywest's best interest, your just covering your own behind. Be a man and tell us the real reason you want ALPA at Skywest!"
I have never said that I was looking out for what was best for the skywest pilot group. I set forth examples that demonstrate the benefit. If you ask my opinion, then the answer is yes I think it is in their best interest. I am (and have) said that I think SW pilots should vote alpa in on moral reason because they are benefiting from other pilot groups and I believe that is not right. I've been quite "manly" about that in previous threads
"here’s the real story. Interns at ASA are granted access to the jump seat for all ASA flights. An intern jump seated on your flight. You were gun hoe on impressing this intern, so in mid-flight you got out of your seat, sat on your chart case and told the intern to take your seat. You had him click off the autopilot and make small turns, climbs, descents and so on. "
Now you're just an idiot, you were not there and you can not say you know what the truth is.
1. You are correct that interns are allowed on the J/seat, but that is the offense that I was charged with by the company and the FAA, that is why I included it. So I have not misrepresented anything, can you say for sure that you are being as honest?
2. I did not get out of my seat, it is physically impossible to put an entire person on top of a chart case.
3. As for the turns, climbs and descents... you are just flat wrong. It was 30 seconds of straight and level, I've got the statements from all three people to prove it. But you know best, after all, you heard a rumor.
"This is your reasoning why skywest should vote yes to ALPA, because they will save your job when you’re a complete jack@ss. "
Yes, when you are a momentary Jack ass, or when you make an honest mistake. As I said, some will think I deserved getting fired, most (as you have seen on this thread) do not. I knew I would take heat for this and I have nothing to gain by putting this out there. it's embarrasing, and it's probably ruined my a career. But where you so callously explain my actions as gun hoe or trying to impress an intern, what you should know is that as I explained, I learn to fly in a different enviroment and a different time where stuff like that went on all the time (and I know for a fact it still does today) The intern had just been told that ASA was going to stop hiring and where he had seen all his ERAU buds before him get a job right away, they told him it was going to be a year or two. I was just trying to be cool and keep the very nice guy, who had done a good job as an intern motivated. That was my motivation.
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