flaps 9

If you have 1000 turbine PIC then you've already shown your stuff, and probably have a couple of type ratings. Back to the topic at hand, GO JET SUCKS!

Laxrox43

Flaps...good point, I was just defending SWAcapt's stance

GO JETs SUCK!

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SWAcapt

Thanks Laxrox, I do appolgize for being part of the thread hijack. I have no input or knowlege of GoJet.

hifly

I am concerned about the short sightedness of TSA pilots. Why couldn't they just fly the 70 seater and accept the lower pay, temporarily. Once everything settled down, they would be able to fight for industry standard wages and get them. Go Jets will be profitable. If they are profitable, this means that their pilots will have leverage. If Go Jets pilots have leverage, they will be able to negotiate higher pay in the future. TSA pilots could be in the same position if they weren't so sensitive. But instead they won't have access to the bigger equipment.

I understand how the creation of Go Jets could seem deceitful to TSA pilots. However, management wants to make money and so do the pilots. Each will take as much as they can from the other. Checks and balances. The side that is educated and organized will come out on top. The side that lets their emotions get in the way of intelligent action (intelligent action does not mean stepping on transmissions in busy appoach control sectors) will come out on the bottom. A successful company will have both sides in the middle. Carpe future.

FlyingFerris

Let's get one thing straight. Sitting in front of paying passengers on a revenue flight isn't "paying for training." That's paying to be at work which is horse hockey to borrow from Cnl. Potter. Paying for training is what I and most members did when they payed to rent a C172 and other airplanes with instructor, BEFORE they got employed by an airline.

Also the deffinition of employement from Websters so we don't get confused.

Main Entry: em·ploy·ment
Function: noun
1 : an activity or service performed for another esp. for compensation or as an occupation
2 : the act of employing : the state of being employed

Also occupation
oc·cu·pa·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ky-pshn)
n.

An activity that serves as one's regular source of livelihood; a vocation.
An activity engaged in especially as a means of passing time; an avocation.
(note I left out the militaristic deffinitions of occupation out, because they don't apply.)

loudgarrettdriver

Since when does anyone care anymore. These days it seems like there aren't ties that bind anything. Just look at every major industry besides aviation. Railroads, Automotive, Communications. These trends further spiral down the toilet.

This is just capitalism and the American way. The bottom is that someone will always do the job for less. Do you wanta be a scab with a crappy job or a die hard unioner' with no job. At this point in our careers we have all made our beds. So let's lay in them.

StearmanDriver

The bottom line is this (in my humble opinion);

Airlines are set up to fail, they refuse to pass along the costs of operating along to the customer. As long as the employees are the first in line to reduce the airlines costs, we are all on a very fast and most unpleasant race to the bottom.

Unity is the key to surviving this, however unity is a concept based on wishful thinking and listening to too many stories of the airline industry of the past.

Even when a pilot scabs by crossing a picket line (real or virtual), they are not really treated any different anymore, unlike the scabs of the 70's and 80's. Just look at Continental. When they went back to ALPA, the scabs that were still flying for CAL were welcomed back to the union and "forgiven" for their past actions. WHY???? Because ALPA is a business, like any other, and to refuse all those juicy union dues would not be fiscally responsible.

I happen to agree, Go Jet Pilots are losers based on their principals (or lack thereof). HOWEVER, 5 years from now, no one will care. They will have folded back into the mainstream and we'll all still be complaining about the same things, only oil will be $100/barrel and we'll all be fighting for our place in the welfare line.

The idea that ALL airline pilots could stand up together and remain firm and resolved to abtain what is right and fair is a pipe dream. The hard part about this reality is that the more we understand that there is always some starry-eyed pilot out there willing to fly our airplanes for less money, the more we tend to give up and join them.

Bottom line, the race to the bottom continues. There is no cure for it. The industry is no what it used to be and we must find it within ourselves to face reality.

For those who may be curious, I am a regional captain on the EMB-145. I have never crossed a picket line and never would, despite my bills and love of flying. I am a dues-paying member of ALPA. I am seriously disappointed in the business and often have dreams of scuba-diving and finding Jimmy Hoffa weighted to the bottom of the ocean by a slab of concrete accompanied by a multitude of crooked/greedy airline Executives and CEO's to keep him company.

There is a solution.....pass the rising cost of business on to the customers, like in every other industry. See, that was easy, and I didn't even negotiate a golden parachute to come up with the concept!

loudgarrettdriver

Well put my friend!!!
Thanks for the very educated insight.

SkyHigh

Flying Ferris

That is exactly why most flying jobs are really more of a working hobby.


SkyHigh

laxflier

You are obviously not employed by either side of this blo jet issue...You have no idea what you are talking about... Pleaseee....Go read up on it before you come on with your cookie cutter bullsh#t approach to solving things. This is deeper than you can think....