ExperimentalAB

Give me a break - you KNOW management would never take action against a crew for a situation like that. If they would, they might as well be begging us to vote in ALPA...

Airsupport

oh yes they would.. maybe not the night before the alpa vote, but they would. trust me. ask the guys who struck the wing in ogd during the "windshear" incident what management thought about that.

Seatownflyer

How's the flying at K2? I'm jealous. ok, back to the topic at hand. Hey now, not ALL of us are brainwashed! Some of you will recognize this... The last part in bold ticked me off. Competitive with whom? The other people who wanted my income restricted apartment?

1.Lengthy Bargaining. Some carriers have negotiated for more than five years prior to getting a contract. In many cases, what they are negotiating for are things you already have at SkyWest, and we continue to make improvements on an ongoing basis to help us remain competitive in terms of pilot wages and benefits.

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Wedge Buster

As far as the Five Year contract, from what I have heard ASA management has been forbiden by Skywest to sign a contract with ASA until the SW union drive is over. Because SW fears that if ASA pilots get a good contract SW pilots may vote in ALPA.

Slaphappy

That's garbage, the company has come to bat many times for pilots. The 2 that ran off the runway in madison were SAVED by the company because the FAA wanted their tickets.


Also don't worry about an Airline you are no longer a part of, this doesn't concern you anymore.

ghilis101

it concerns me because ill be flying alongside former skywest folks one day when we all eventually make it to a legacy carrier, and i want to know that my fellow UNION pilots understand what this all means for the industry (because inevitably youll end up part of a union if you want to be at a major airline), and if necessary, play hardball when management tries to screw with you.

slaphappy im glad ill never have to fly with you since youre staying at skw. but for your own good i hope you vote in alpa.

Seatownflyer

What happened with all the pilot unity talk and everyone looking out for the industry as a whole? Isn't that what a union is about?

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BoilerUP

Reminds me of Dos Gringos...

"I'm a pilot, I only care about me..."

robthree

Funny, at dinner tonight a couple guys were telling stories about similar events. (At Eagle)

Pushing back at LGA a dump truck came speeding around the corner and smashed into the tail of an AC pushing back. Entirely the dump truck driver's fault & the crew was powerless to do anything about it. Company went after the crew because there were no headsets in use. Of course there were no headsests in the station...

A supertug in EWR snapped the nosegear off the AC, as the parking brake was still set. The FO had recieved clearance to push, and was repeating it to the CA. The tug driver overheard the FO & pushed without the CA establishing comm with him. The company went after the crew.

ALPA protected these crews.


I know Skywest has a more enlightened management than Eagle. Seriously, it would take a lot of effort to be worse. But if they got a wild hair and decided to, for instance, "make an example" of someone, what recourse do you have? Who will go to bat for you? What formal procedures are in place? Without a contract, you are completly, uterly, & absolutely dependant upon management's good graces. Everything about your job could change on a whim. It could change for the better, it could change for the worse. But either way you've got no gaurantee, and you've got no real say. A union gives you both.

TonyWilliams

Jerry or Chip told you that? Oh, let me guess, you heard it from a fellow pilot, or read it on the internet.....