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Old 06-26-2009, 08:50 PM   #14411 (permalink)
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same here. trying to get my folks on a NWA flight. I keep getting a box about some NWA employee number and needing to contact HR.

The wonderful folks in the pass bureau seem to be taking a 5 hours lunch break......

any body have any luck with listing on a NWA flight?
I'm an active employee and I just listed myself from LAX to MKE on NWA with no problems as a test to see if it works. The only thing that sucks is that if you don't write down, print, or e-mail the confirm number, you'll never find it unless you call NWA reservations. It won't show up on travelnet under your saved reservations.
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Old 06-26-2009, 09:12 PM   #14412 (permalink)
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I'm an active employee and I just listed myself from LAX to MKE on NWA with no problems as a test to see if it works. The only thing that sucks is that if you don't write down, print, or e-mail the confirm number, you'll never find it unless you call NWA reservations. It won't show up on travelnet under your saved reservations.
maybe its just the furloughed guys who get that message.

I could never get a hold of anyone in the pass bureau today. Luckily the folks somehow made it out of Florida on a DAL flight so I didn't need it.

Thanks for the heads up though H46Bubba!
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Old 06-27-2009, 03:06 AM   #14413 (permalink)
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Old 06-27-2009, 05:58 AM   #14414 (permalink)
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And what are you going to do about it? Not a damn thing. People will always pick up extra flying, they don't give a crap.

We all know they shouldn't have furloughed in January to cover the summer flying, at least not 90 some people. Recalls ain't happening for a long, long, long time, but more furloughs wouldn't surprise me.

And yeah, my attitude towards the Union right now is let 'em suffer. I hope they get used and abused, because they didn't do crap for me when I was there 2 years ago. I'm glad all that union money and merger fee money went to good use....

-BOHICA... (and again..., and again...., and again...)
Just because this year's president of the company said people are picking up the slack doesn't mean it's true. I am aware of a number of issues with flights being cancelled or significantly delayed due to lack of non-fatigued crews and lack of enthusiasm.

The gate agent handling our originating flight from CVG just a couple of days ago actually thanked us for showing up - that's how bad it's been as a result of the level of abuse that has built up over the years combined with the current level of staffing.

I am aware of one senior Captain who refused to fly as a First Officer to cover a shortage just this last week. This individual, who has far more to lose than any furloughee, put themselves in the line of fire for those of you on the street. Of course you're never going to hear that from this year's president of Comair...who also commutes positive space to and from work while telling those in the trenches at Comair that they should be thankful for what travel benefits they have.

The credit for mismanaging the airline into the position it "needed" to execute a mass pilot furlough...some of whom were only on the property for three months, can only be directed at management in Atlanta and the G.O. in CVG. Atlanta is where the decision first originated to place a number of new 900's at Comair, then three months later decided to place them at Pinnacle, then two months later decided to place them at Mesaba, then three months later decided to place them at ASA/Skywest.

This is not written to trivialize what you've suffered during your Comair experience...there simply is no excuse for the way Atlanta has managed Comair. This is just an attempt to identify where the ultimate responsibility lies for the continued inability of Comair to succeed.

Delta took Comair through bankruptcy just prior to your arrival. Under oath, management admitted Comair was expected to produce a $50 million profit during that year. It wasn't enough.

Management, under oath, stated that after bankruptcy mandated concessions from its employees Comair would be competitive. Delta has subsequently removed roughly 35% of the fleet, and flying, that was operated at that time by Comair. Sound competitive?

Management in Atlanta, since 2004, has made decision after decision that has not benefitted Comair as a company. There is no indication that will change in the future. Why is anyone hoping for a recall?

To blame the union for the decisions made in Atlanta shows local leadership in Cincinnati has been successful in deflecting blame from themselves and Atlanta, onto the employees of the company. It's so obvious that the reason Comair can't succeed is because of its workforce...isn't it?

I am not the reason for the continued inability of Comair to succeed. Neither are you, or the union.

Best wishes for the challenges you face while furloughed. I am hopeful you find success in other endeavors so that if/when you get a recall notice you are in a position to say "No thanks. You can't afford me anymore." I envy you because there are so many other things of more importance and financial reward I could be doing if I weren't spending 340 hours per month away from home in an attempt to "stick around because things might get better".

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Old 06-27-2009, 06:13 AM   #14415 (permalink)
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Irrelevant, that was was great and sooo true. The underlining effect of all that's happening to Comair can be traced back to one common factor, DL wishes. Why?, we may never know. But it is what they want. With that said, here are my wishes to DL, 3825 you, and trully hope the merger blows up in their face.
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Old 06-27-2009, 08:08 AM   #14416 (permalink)
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Just because this year's president of the company said people are picking up the slack doesn't mean it's true. I am aware of a number of issues with flights being cancelled or significantly delayed due to lack of non-fatigued crews and lack of enthusiasm.

The gate agent handling our originating flight from CVG just a couple of days ago actually thanked us for showing up - that's how bad it's been as a result of the level of abuse that has built up over the years combined with the current level of staffing.

I am aware of one senior Captain who refused to fly as a First Officer to cover a shortage just this last week. This individual, who has far more to lose than any furloughee, put themselves in the line of fire for those of you on the street. Of course you're never going to hear that from this year's president of Comair...who also commutes positive space to and from work while telling those in the trenches at Comair that they should be thankful for what travel benefits they have.

The credit for mismanaging the airline into the position it "needed" to execute a mass pilot furlough...some of whom were only on the property for three months, can only be directed at management in Atlanta and the G.O. in CVG. Atlanta is where the decision first originated to place a number of new 900's at Comair, then three months later decided to place them at Pinnacle, then two months later decided to place them at Mesaba, then three months later decided to place them at ASA/Skywest.

This is not written to trivialize what you've suffered during your Comair experience...there simply is no excuse for the way Atlanta has managed Comair. This is just an attempt to identify where the ultimate responsibility lies for the continued inability of Comair to succeed.

Delta took Comair through bankruptcy just prior to your arrival. Under oath, management admitted Comair was expected to produce a $50 million profit during that year. It wasn't enough.

Management, under oath, stated that after bankruptcy mandated concessions from its employees Comair would be competitive. Delta has subsequently removed roughly 35% of the fleet, and flying, that was operated at that time by Comair. Sound competitive?

Management in Atlanta, since 2004, has made decision after decision that has not benefitted Comair as a company. There is no indication that will change in the future. Why is anyone hoping for a recall?

To blame the union for the decisions made in Atlanta shows local leadership in Cincinnati has been successful in deflecting blame from themselves and Atlanta, onto the employees of the company. It's so obvious that the reason Comair can't succeed is because of its workforce...isn't it?

I am not the reason for the continued inability of Comair to succeed. Neither are you, or the union.

Best wishes for the challenges you face while furloughed. I am hopeful you find success in other endeavors so that if/when you get a recall notice you are in a position to say "No thanks. You can't afford me anymore." I envy you because there are so many other things of more importance and financial reward I could be doing if I weren't spending 340 hours per month away from home in an attempt to "stick around because things might get better".

Very introspective and a sound analysis from the 'inside'. Bravo!
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Just because this year's president of the company said people are picking up the slack doesn't mean it's true. I am aware of a number of issues with flights being cancelled or significantly delayed due to lack of non-fatigued crews and lack of enthusiasm.

The gate agent handling our originating flight from CVG just a couple of days ago actually thanked us for showing up - that's how bad it's been as a result of the level of abuse that has built up over the years combined with the current level of staffing.

I am aware of one senior Captain who refused to fly as a First Officer to cover a shortage just this last week. This individual, who has far more to lose than any furloughee, put themselves in the line of fire for those of you on the street. Of course you're never going to hear that from this year's president of Comair...who also commutes positive space to and from work while telling those in the trenches at Comair that they should be thankful for what travel benefits they have.

The credit for mismanaging the airline into the position it "needed" to execute a mass pilot furlough...some of whom were only on the property for three months, can only be directed at management in Atlanta and the G.O. in CVG. Atlanta is where the decision first originated to place a number of new 900's at Comair, then three months later decided to place them at Pinnacle, then two months later decided to place them at Mesaba, then three months later decided to place them at ASA/Skywest.

This is not written to trivialize what you've suffered during your Comair experience...there simply is no excuse for the way Atlanta has managed Comair. This is just an attempt to identify where the ultimate responsibility lies for the continued inability of Comair to succeed.

Delta took Comair through bankruptcy just prior to your arrival. Under oath, management admitted Comair was expected to produce a $50 million profit during that year. It wasn't enough.

Management, under oath, stated that after bankruptcy mandated concessions from its employees Comair would be competitive. Delta has subsequently removed roughly 35% of the fleet, and flying, that was operated at that time by Comair. Sound competitive?

Management in Atlanta, since 2004, has made decision after decision that has not benefitted Comair as a company. There is no indication that will change in the future. Why is anyone hoping for a recall?

To blame the union for the decisions made in Atlanta shows local leadership in Cincinnati has been successful in deflecting blame from themselves and Atlanta, onto the employees of the company. It's so obvious that the reason Comair can't succeed is because of its workforce...isn't it?

I am not the reason for the continued inability of Comair to succeed. Neither are you, or the union.

Best wishes for the challenges you face while furloughed. I am hopeful you find success in other endeavors so that if/when you get a recall notice you are in a position to say "No thanks. You can't afford me anymore." I envy you because there are so many other things of more importance and financial reward I could be doing if I weren't spending 340 hours per month away from home in an attempt to "stick around because things might get better".

Bravo to you sir!! Truly spoken!!
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RAH to buy Comair a Walmart worker told me I guess there being bought by them too
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Evil, loook what I found just for you. I hope the irony isn't lost on you.


YouTube - "Thriller" (original upload)
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Evil, loook what I found just for you. I hope the irony isn't lost on you.


YouTube - "Thriller" (original upload)
Nice.......Haven't seen that one in a while. Nothing like a group of Singaporean prisoners (and a couple of transvestites) redoing Thriller while wearing orange jumpsuits and cheap halter tops. Very disturbing.
Recently read somewhere they are going to redo it yet again.
Hey Auto, maybe the furloughees should get together and recreate it while wearing full uniforms and pins that say 3825 DL, Say NO to Soap, ALPA rulezzz , etc. What do you think?. Any pins ideas?.
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