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Old 07-09-2009, 06:53 PM   #14661 (permalink)
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I would offer a part time pilot program like Delta has. (heard this from a Delta FO) They are allowed to work 55 hrs a month and it mitigates furloughs if not eliminates them. Can you imagine how many JFK commuters would jump at the chance to only commute to JFK twice a month instead of 4-5 times? The company would be paying less in salaries because the more senior people would be taking the part time program for the most part and the higher salaries would only be making 55 hrs a month.

Furloughing from the bottom only eliminates the smallest employee costs, creates huge training costs when the employees return, and destroys morale. The part time program makes much more sense to me.

That's what I'd do.
This is called an SIL. You agree to 55 hours a month and in return you don't fly at all. You are actually forbidden to touch the flight controls of a DAL plane for the month. Just a reduced pay vacation. They usually go very senior as its intended to do.

BTW, good luck to all of the guys getting furloughed. 1300 guys here went through that from '01-'06. Its incredibly difficult going through a furlough and all of the financial uncertainty that goes along with it.

To Joe Underwood, in the fall of 2001 you posted on the National ALPA forum that you hoped the DAL guys had fun working at Home Depot while we lost our jobs. I hope you treat your brothers at CMR with more respect. Its called the high road champ.
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:16 PM   #14662 (permalink)
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Wow, good memory. And glad that was brought up.
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:30 PM   #14663 (permalink)
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This is called an SIL.

To Joe Underwood, in the fall of 2001 you posted on the National ALPA forum that you hoped the DAL guys had fun working at Home Depot while we lost our jobs. I hope you treat your brothers at CMR with more respect. Its called the high road champ.
Comair can't get SIL, but we can get plenty of S3C.

As far as Mr Underwood, I don't know him but if I run into him I'll let him know. Thank you for remembering him by name all these years and not resorting to "It was some Comair guy. Screw every last one of 'em"
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To Joe Underwood, in the fall of 2001 you posted on the National ALPA forum that you hoped the DAL guys had fun working at Home Depot while we lost our jobs. I hope you treat your brothers at CMR with more respect. Its called the high road champ.
My apologies. Even though I wasn't here in 2001, I'm embarrassed that someone would say something like that, especially someone from the same company I work for.
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Comair can't get SIL, but we can get plenty of S3C.

As far as Mr Underwood, I don't know him but if I run into him I'll let him know. Thank you for remembering him by name all these years and not resorting to "It was some Comair guy. Screw every last one of 'em"
I've got some good friends at CMR, jumpseated with professional crews and had a very nice CMR FO jumpseat with us the other night. I don't believe in casting an entire group because of a couple of bad seeds. That goes both ways for us as well. My point was that no one should take light on someone else's misfortunes, especially when it comes to their livelihoods. People don't forget something like that. So as I said, best of luck to all those who are or will be affected by this.
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This is called an SIL. You agree to 55 hours a month and in return you don't fly at all. You are actually forbidden to touch the flight controls of a DAL plane for the month. Just a reduced pay vacation. They usually go very senior as its intended to do.

BTW, good luck to all of the guys getting furloughed. 1300 guys here went through that from '01-'06. Its incredibly difficult going through a furlough and all of the financial uncertainty that goes along with it.

To Joe Underwood, in the fall of 2001 you posted on the National ALPA forum that you hoped the DAL guys had fun working at Home Depot while we lost our jobs. I hope you treat your brothers at CMR with more respect. Its called the high road champ.

Mr. Underwood is still on the seniority list. He is listed as (inactive-management) which explains a lot. DAL4EVER, thank you for not holding us all responsible. I don't know this person and have never dealt with him, but that torques me off!
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Mr. Underwood is still on the seniority list. He is listed as (inactive-management) which explains a lot. DAL4EVER, thank you for not holding us all responsible. I don't know this person and have never dealt with him, but that torques me off!
He is/was a sim instructor.
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This is called an SIL. You agree to 55 hours a month and in return you don't fly at all. You are actually forbidden to touch the flight controls of a DAL plane for the month. Just a reduced pay vacation. They usually go very senior as its intended to do.
Funny how your MEC was able to negotiate a mitigation plan this lucrative, yet management at Comair was unwilling to even offer health insurance benefits to pilots who would actually work part time under one of our MEC's proposed furlough mitigation proposals last year.

Thanks for the information. It further clarifies the contempt in which DAL holds its employees over at its Comair subsidiary.

Best wishes to you guys for the impending fall schedule reduction. Sounds like furloughs are a pretty good deal over there.
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Old 07-10-2009, 08:30 AM   #14669 (permalink)
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Not sure if this has been discussed, but saw the sign while cruising around the airport today.

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The site is located on the south side of the airport just east of the center runway (18C/36C). The hangar measures approximately 282 feet wide by 190 feet deep (62,670 sq. ft.) The hangar door measures 43 feet high by 258 feet wide. Utilities and airfield access are readily available. The building also offers 62,860 sq. ft. of offices, shop space, storage space, classrooms and a kitchen.

In case anyone wants to open, you know, a bar or something.
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Best wishes to you guys for the impending fall schedule reduction. Sounds like furloughs are a pretty good deal over there.
No a furlough isn't a good deal over there (just like it isn't a good deal anywhere)....the SIL's are but I'm sure they are of limited number and are for the senior people.
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