Perhaps the ALPA organizing comm. might suggest otherwise, but the reality is that should it pass, it'll be close. Very close.
I can't imagine that anybody would be able to "see how the vote is going". I'm sure ALPA is hedging all their bets. It seems that there's not a billboard in the SLC airport that doesn't have an ALPA advertisement in it.
I just got a brochure that had to cost at least $10 a pop to produce (times 3000 pilots). ALPA has a FULL time rep living in Salt Lake until the vote is final. They are spending MILLIONS for this vote.
I predict something like 40% for, 60% against (or no vote).
I agree, I also think it'll fail by about 60%. If it passes I’ll be completely surprised.
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When do we find out anyway? Although I love the free food I'm sick to death about hearing about the whole thing. Whether it passes or fails I'm just looking forward to getting on with a new Skywest or the old one.
That's good! Justice has been served now that our Bro brethren can transition to the RJ 2-4 years after that fact. Those transitioning will more than likely be Jr Bro pilots. That also being said, we are only parking 18 Bros with 40+ remaining on line in some form or fashion. Who knows when they will be parked but it’ll be years from now. So, will it be justice for them when they transition? 6+ years (from our Yes vote on the Pay proposal) working with no increase in pay, a decrease in QOL due to a/c parking and a lack of support from their RJ brethren; seeing they got theirs.
Personally, that makes me sick. No offense.
IMO, if our Bro brethren get nothing than we all should get nothing; but that's unity and SKW has none. Now that the RJ boys voted yes; the only thing our Bro brethren can look forward to is going to the RJ for decreased QOL or 4+ years of the same BS pay, low QOL with no COLA.
I flew the Bro back in the day so I'm sympathetic to their cause, although that shouldn’t matter, but that’s just me showing unity. Boy it's a lonely place around here for us attemptimg to stick together. Just wish someone would get the knife out of my back.
Just calling it like I see it.
Yes, I voted Yes for ALPA for many legitimate reasons. But the pi$$ off pilot in me wants it to pass just so those who left the Bro boys out will have to pay 2%. That will be a 1% net loss after the BS pay increase we took last year. I’d pay 2% just to see their faces. You might say that's not showing unity? But that would be Hypocritical!
I'm not saying you are one of "those SKW pilots," after all I don't know you.
hey now, I DID say they got skrewed, I just said that increasing the percentage of pilots on the jet means that more pilots get to fly on the RJ payscale, which is better for them, especially if it means no base closures.
And so you're voting for ALPA with the idea you'll take a 1% loss in pay? I thought ALPA was supposed to increase compensation.
That's good! Justice has been served now that our Bro brethren can transition to the RJ 2-4 years after that fact. Those transitioning will more than likely be Jr Bro pilots. That also being said, we are only parking 18 Bros with 40+ remaining on line in some form or fashion. Who knows when they will be parked but it’ll be years from now. So, will it be justice for them when they transition? 6+ years (from our Yes vote on the Pay proposal) working with no increase in pay, a decrease in QOL due to a/c parking and a lack of support from their RJ brethren; seeing they got theirs.
Personally, that makes me sick. No offense.
IMO, if our Bro brethren get nothing than we all should get nothing; but that's unity and SKW has none. Now that the RJ boys voted yes; the only thing our Bro brethren can look forward to is going to the RJ for decreased QOL or 4+ years of the same BS pay, low QOL with no COLA.
I flew the Bro back in the day so I'm sympathetic to their cause, although that shouldn’t matter, but that’s just me showing unity. Boy it's a lonely place around here for us attemptimg to stick together. Just wish someone would get the knife out of my back.
Just calling it like I see it.
Yes, I voted Yes for ALPA for many legitimate reasons. But the pi$$ off pilot in me wants it to pass just so those who left the Bro boys out will have to pay 2%. That will be a 1% net loss after the BS pay increase we took last year. I’d pay 2% just to see their faces. You might say that's not showing unity? But that would be Hypocritical!
I'm not saying you are one of "those SKW pilots," after all I don't know you.
I'm also not sure where you're getting the idea that the RJ would be lower QOL for Bro transitions. Assuming a commute?
hey now, I DID say they got skrewed, I just said that increasing the percentage of pilots on the jet means that more pilots get to fly on the RJ payscale, which is better for them, especially if it means no base closures.
And so you're voting for ALPA with the idea you'll take a 1% loss in pay? I thought ALPA was supposed to increase compensation.
You kidding right? I hope that you're smarter than that but if you reread my posting I said that I voted for ALPA for many legitimate reasons, revenge not being one of them. But I shouldn't have to be repeating this.
Also, your last statement is complete stupidity. To think that ALPA's going to increase compensation when voted in is asinine. What? You’re smarter than your posting right? You have to understand the negotiating process. No offense but did you educate yourself on ALPA before you made your decision. You should know better than this.
Once again I’m assuming, I don’t know you.
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There's a poll running on the skywest sapa forums about the alpa vote. It has 300 responses so far and shows about a 60/40 split in favor of ALPA. Who knows how accurate if it is really representative of the whole pilot group though.
Here are the results as of today.
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Exit Poll
You may choose only one (301 total votes)
I called and voted for ALPA
181 60%
I called and "wrote-in" a candidate for representation
5 2%
I'm also not sure where you're getting the idea that the RJ would be lower QOL for Bro transitions. Assuming a commute?
By moving down the seniority list in domicile or pushed out of domicile and forced to commute, will seriously decrease QOL. Obviously our Bro Brethren didn't decide to stay on the Bro for pay. To think this won't happen is insane. This "I got mine" mentality by most RJ boys is one of the reasons unity is unobtainable here at SKW.
Stop living in denial and open your eyes. You don’t have to vote for ALPA to do so.
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There's a poll running on the skywest sapa forums about the alpa vote. It has 300 responses so far and shows about a 60/40 split in favor of ALPA. Who knows how accurate if it is really representative of the whole pilot group though.
Here are the results as of today.
My gut feeling from talking to a whole lot of people is that it's going to be a near thing...somewhere between 40%-55% in favor.
The sapa poll is probably meaningless...most of us never even look at those forums
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