There's a poll running on the skywest sapa forums about the alpa vote. It has 300 responses so far and shows about a 60/40 split in favor of ALPA. Who knows how accurate if it is really representative of the whole pilot group though.
Here are the results as of today.
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Originally Posted by sapaforums.org
Exit Poll You may choose only one (301 total votes) I called and voted for ALPA 181 60%
I called and "wrote-in" a candidate for representation 5 2%
I called and voted NO 3 1%
I will not call 112 37%
The Company wants pilots to NOT vote, because a no vote is a NO vote. They've already instructed pilots to shred their voting credentials as soon as they receive them so that they don't accidentally vote.
Publishing information like the above "Exit Poll Results" is another way of encouraging pilots to NOT vote. If a pilot is in favor of representation, but fears retribution for voting, he might view the above results and misinterpret them as meaning he doesn't need to vote, because enough people have already voted FOR representation.
NOTHING COULD BE FARTHER FROM THE TRUTH! Every pilot needs to exercise his RIGHT to vote. Don't let The Company, or a puppet of The Company, fool you.
You kidding right? I hope that you're smarter than that but if you reread my posting I said that I voted for ALPA for many legitimate reasons, revenge not being one of them. But I shouldn't have to be repeating this.
Also, your last statement is complete stupidity. To think that ALPA's going to increase compensation when voted in is asinine. What? You’re smarter than your posting right? You have to understand the negotiating process. No offense but did you educate yourself on ALPA before you made your decision. You should know better than this.
Once again I’m assuming, I don’t know you.
I just got an email from ALPA OC telling me that I should vote for them because ALPA at ASA has better pay for every seat every year. I do believe that one thing the OC has been running on is that they would get better pay, granted I don't believe them, but that's what they keep telling me.
By moving down the seniority list in domicile or pushed out of domicile and forced to commute, will seriously decrease QOL. Obviously our Bro Brethren didn't decide to stay on the Bro for pay. To think this won't happen is insane. This "I got mine" mentality by most RJ boys is one of the reasons unity is unobtainable here at SKW.
Stop living in denial and open your eyes. You don’t have to vote for ALPA to do so.
Well from the way it looks, hopefully none of them will be forced out of domicile, perhaps lower seniority, but IMO lower seniority on the jet still provides better trips/schedules then better seniority on the Bro.
I just got an email from ALPA OC telling me that I should vote for them because ALPA at ASA has better pay for every seat every year. I do believe that one thing the OC has been running on is that they would get better pay, granted I don't believe them, but that's what they keep telling me.
I didn't vote yes based upon pay. There are much more important issues out there than a buck here or there. It's just unfortunate that that's what most “only” care about. Will we get a pay raise after a lengthy negotiation with Mgmnt? More than likely, but there are more pressing issues, issues that no one seems to care about until it's too late. I have car, health, life, dental, vision, home owners, lose of license, and short tern disability insurance. We can never cover ourselves to much. After all, our livelihood and our career’s are way to fragile to take an uninsured chance on.
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I just got an email from ALPA OC telling me that I should vote for them because ALPA at ASA has better pay for every seat every year. I do believe that one thing the OC has been running on is that they would get better pay, granted I don't believe them, but that's what they keep telling me.
This isn't true, remember that Mgmnt told us our 1st year CA rates are higher then ASA's. Thank God, I'm sure our 1st year RJ CA's care about that. Wait, we don't have any first year CA's. LOL! What a joke.
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The Company wants pilots to NOT vote, because a no vote is a NO vote. They've already instructed pilots to shred their voting credentials as soon as they receive them so that they don't accidentally vote.
Yes, the company has sent out instructions that clearly state the NMB rules. Not voting is the same as a no vote.
To my knowledge, no such direction has been sent to "shred the voting credentials" Perhaps poetic license on your behalf.
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Publishing information like the above "Exit Poll Results" is another way of encouraging pilots to NOT vote. If a pilot is in favor of representation, but fears retribution for voting, he might view the above results and misinterpret them as meaning he doesn't need to vote, because enough people have already voted FOR representation.
Neither the company, nor the current pilot association, put that "exit poll" up.
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Every pilot needs to exercise his RIGHT to vote. Don't let The Company, or a puppet of The Company, fool
Every pilot has that RIGHT to vote. Don't worry, ALPA isn't taking any chances with the millions of dollars they are spending to get our votes. I received many, many mailings and emails from ALPA, naturally all encouraging me to vote. Far and above disproportionate to the company's actions to nofity pilots of their rights concerning voting.
I'm guessing I'm one of the puppets of the company, since I have not, nor do I intend, to vote for ALPA. Many of our pilots who have come from other ALPA carriers have openly expressed that they will not vote for ALPA. Major carriers are trying to get rid of ALPA.
ALPA has failed at SkyWest (and Colgan) in the past, and another union effort also has failed at SkyWest. Even if they win, it'll be close, but I don't think ALPA cares much about that.
They'll take money from all of us anyway, even if only 50% plus one vote it in.
I didn't vote yes based upon pay. There are much more important issues out there than a buck here or there. It's just unfortunate that that's what most “only” care about. Will we get a pay raise after a lengthy negotiation with Mgmnt? More than likely, but there are more pressing issues, issues that no one seems to care about until it's too late. I have car, health, life, dental, vision, home owners, lose of license, and short tern disability insurance. We can never cover ourselves to much. After all, our livelihood and our career’s are way to fragile to take an uninsured chance on.
I completely agree, if ALPA comes on property the most important things they'll bring have little to do with pay. For me personally, I'd like to see 3rd party protection should the FAA or company come after me. Also on a smaller level, some things I would hope for in the contract, 14 hour max duty days, and 10 hour min rest in domicile. I live a quite a distance from ORD, and I've been reduced in domicile 3 times in the last year, and I either have to call in fatigued or find a hotel out of my own pocket, that's not right, but I digress.
Anyway I don't know why you thought I was one of "those" skywest pilots, I'm the first guy to say the Bro guys got skrewed, I was just saying a SMALL consolation was it appears that EVENTUALLY we'll all be RJ drivers.
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