The said part is those idiots at SAPA think they represent us at all. Last few elections voter turnout was less than 10%. That's not representation of the majority. It's just a few idiots playing along with the company's illegal charade.
certainly im not trying to say youre evil. actually if i was a betting man id say youre too nice, its why you think so highly of a middle of the road operation.
OK, SAPA's a joke and most all SAPA reps are puppets. Regardless of who is or who isn't, SAPA as a hole is a Puppet for Mgmnt. I voted in every SAPA election until Nolan went down, now I'm out. IMO SAPA's worthless to SKW pilots. Mgmnt does as they wish and then tries to say SAPA negotiated it.
Now that being said, I back TW and most all SKW pilots.
Also, SKW is not a middle of the road regional. They are a "Top Tier" regional. Many reasons prove this to be so.
1. Sustained code shares
2. Great employee moral
3. Among the top in total compensation
4. Excellent growth and low upgrade time
5. Good relationship between Mgmnt and its labor groups
6. Outstanding Mx
7. Lots of domiciles to help improve QOL
8. Equipping their a/c with the newest technology
9. HUNDREDS of MILLIONS in the bank and growing each year by over $150M
10. Around for over 35 years
11. Same Mgmnt for 34 of those 35 with most all top guys still in place
I'm sure others can add to the above list but I just wanted to name a few. All add to SKW being a “Top Tier” airline.
I challenge you to show me a regional in better standing than SKW. Yes you can make an argument and some maybe better in a few categories but overall SKW is unbeatable.
BTW, you can't call this drinking Kool-Aid, it's just the facts.
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Last edited by JetJock16 : 10-24-2007 at 09:04 PM.
Tony no one says you are evil.. but don’t you find it a little interesting that you haven’t even been with the company a year and that you are now a sapa rep and can presumably represent the pilot group??
Well, like I said in my Bio for the election, this will be learning the ropes by fire. But that's fine for me, I don't need things sugar coated.
As you noted from bringing up my old posts, I've been in a union a while. About 2 decades. I'm familiar with the operation in general. In my last union, I'd been a "Local President", similar in concept to my current position in SAPA. And I'm not exactly wet behind the ears in general.
Not surprisingly, many of the issues any labor force has are more similar than different. Money, vacation, work schedule, are all common themes. Doesn't matter if we're driving a bus or a plane.
It will take me awhile for me to learn the system, clearly. But the option is to sit here on the internet and ***** and moan (and generally do nothing else to substantially help). I prefer to make my best effort at being part of the solution. You've obviously chosen you solution.
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giving fo's a 8 dollar raise. hell i would think that too if i had just started here. but experience is a great teacher. i can see that if we took this pay raise that it my help me right now in my pocket book, but it will do nothing for what we are trying to accomplish.
Not really sure what you're referring to, nor what you're trying to accomplish. I don't know anything about an $8 raise.
Also, SKW is not a middle of the road regional. They are a "Top Tier" regional. Many reasons prove this to be so.
1. Sustained code shares
2. Great employee moral
3. Among the top in total compensation
4. Excellent growth and low upgrade time
5. Good relationship between Mgmnt and its labor groups
6. Outstanding Mx
7. Lots of domiciles to help improve QOL
8. Equipping their a/c with the newest technology
9. HUNDREDS of MILLIONS in the bank and growing each year by over $150M
10. Around for over 35 years
11. Same Mgmnt for 34 of those 35 with most all top guys still in place
12. Hottest FA's in the industry
13. Next generation of upper management (Chip) looks good.
14. Excellent repore amongst the flight crews
15. Company is known to go out of its way to rehabilitate a pilot (instead of firing)... although, we did have one notorious firing that got reversed.
16. Great training
17. Not pigeon holed into one model plane (fly -200. -700, -900)
18. PBS (ok, I acknowledge some like the old system)
19. Mostly newer aircraft, virtually all announced new deliveries replacing older aircraft.
20. 178 destinations.... it'll take a long time to hit them all !!!
21. Good safety record (fatals in 1987 and 1991)
22. No hats (yet), unless MKE service to Midwest
23. Choice of leather or business type jacket
24. SAPA (ok, that's a joke !!!! )
25. No furlough, no pay cuts
Last edited by TonyWilliams : 10-25-2007 at 11:43 AM.
Reason: adding more stuff
Not really sure what you're referring to, nor what you're trying to accomplish. I don't know anything about an $8 raise.
yeah, i thought everyone on the board knew about this. Pinnacle management came to our union leaders and VOLUNTEERED to raise fo rates, some by as much as $8. all the new guys (less than a year) it seems are peeing their pants with excitement about this new deal. i myself happen to be a 2nd year going on 3rd year fo and could use the money, but i know that all it will do is help me right now, i will be going to upgrade soon and will probably fly here a couple more years. i want a contract, not a bandaid. Lucky for us though there are no new guys that can make this decision for us on our negotiationg comitee or our mec. giving the company the chance to raise fo's pay while we are still in contract negotiations will do nothing but hurt us in trying to get a fair and reasonable contract. without alpa the company could have done what it wanted. and i am pretty sure sapa wouldn't stop them (they let a 10 cent raise go through, so i am sure $8 dollars would pass pretty easy). all i am saying is that the greener you are,,, the greener you are. time is a great teacher.
without alpa the company could have done what it wanted. and i am pretty sure sapa wouldn't stop them (they let a 10 cent raise go through, so i am sure $8 dollars would pass pretty easy). all i am saying is that the greener you are,,, the greener you are. time is a great teacher.
Are you KIDDING me? Don't even try to compare PNCL mgmt with ours here at SKW. And what does SAPA have to do with your going-ons?? Get off the $.10 bandwagon!!
P.S. Sorry I think I'm a bit jumpy today...nothing personal.
It will take me awhile for me to learn the system, clearly. But the option is to sit here on the internet and ***** and moan (and generally do nothing else to substantially help). I prefer to make my best effort at being part of the solution. You've obviously chosen you solution.
Tony, I commend you for not wanting to sit idley and complain, however I think Jack Bauer's thread starting posts provide a very interesting look on SAPA processes and accomplishments.
What do you think about SAPA's ability to achieve industry leading work rules and pay?
Are you KIDDING me? Don't even try to compare PNCL mgmt with ours here at SKW. And what does SAPA have to do with your going-ons?? Get off the $.10 bandwagon!!
P.S. Sorry I think I'm a bit jumpy today...nothing personal.
Not that it matters and it's a joke none the less, it was a $.23 raise. First year went from $19.02 to $19.25.
Just clarifying.
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