Why don't you back that up?? And, like has been mentioned before, the DL flying was originally short-term in duration anyway. Nothing unexpected here. And don't forget either, that many of XJet's routes were historically SKW's. I know I'm not alone when I say we're sorry to see 'em go...
??? so your saying xjt isnt one of the better paying regionals? because thats what he was saying. Yes you are right some of the routes were skw routes prior to expressjets 2 yr deal but we did start flying a lot more out of SLC recently. Nothing unexpected? it was supposed to go till June of 09! Many of those routes wont be replaced by another regional either. Delta canceled service to a lot of places out of LAX recently.
Sorry to see that we couldnt keep the 10 airplane cpa till june of 09 but it appears we left on good terms with delta management. Maybe in better times they will remember us.
Lets keep the thread on topic and not bash all the regionals. We know that everyone's regional is the best, lets keep to the topic.. It seems that threads keep getting closed with these topic lines because we all claim to be ALPA and Pro-Union and then try and take each other's heads off.
This was a planned reduction (as a Xjt'r confirmed) so this is business as usual and is being conveyed to the public. DL has publicly said they want 4, yes FOUR regionals POST MERGER. This does NOT count the wholly owned of Comair, Mesaba, and Compass. So look at the current list and you can see where this is going. XJT was planned and well known about as far as coming off the list.
We can almost assure these (off the top of my head)
-Comair
-XJ (Mesaba)
-Compass
1. Republic (170's)
2. Skywest
3. ASA
4.? Pinnacle- the -200's are in the contract with merger protection, -900's are a maybe and we will leave it at that. We did get new routes posted on DL for flying in September so who knows about July 31st.
Contenders (with contracts I may add)
Pinnacle (900's)
Mesa (injunction/contract/performance)
Can Mesaba or Compass expand fast enough to pick up any of this flying ?
Doubt it. Only because the flying is out of SLC AND the number of planes at a wholly owned (XJ and Compass) are tied in scope to NWA mainline and as far as it is currently in the contract the numbers cannot go above the initial order UNTIL more mainline jets or one/both are spun off. Now as far as post merger- anybody have the scope language in the latest TA?
Can Mesaba or Compass expand fast enough to pick up any of this flying ?
I'd say it's almost a forgone conclusion that DAL will not enter into a new capacity agreement for this....
The SLC will go to SKW. Almost zero chance that Inc. will open an ASA base in SLC.
The LAX flying will probably go to SKW...this has been in the works for several years, pending relief from UAL's non-compete clause at LAX (relief was granted a few months ago). The XJT LAX flying appeared temporary from the get-go to anyone who was paying attention...presumably there was always a chance that it could become permanent if it worked out for both parties, and if industry conditions were favorable.
Why SKW? DAL has contractual obligations to SKW/ASA for a certain amount of flying, but they need to do across-the-board RJ reductions. This way they can reduce net system flying, including some no-longer-needed SKW segments in the west, but still keep SKW/ASA at contract levels.
It's remotely possible that they could move another DCI carrier into LAX for the same reason, to maintain contractual minimum flying.
Lets keep the thread on topic and not bash all the regionals. We know that everyone's regional is the best, lets keep to the topic.. It seems that threads keep getting closed with these topic lines because we all claim to be ALPA and Pro-Union and then try and take each other's heads off.
This was a planned reduction (as a Xjt'r confirmed) so this is business as usual and is being conveyed to the public. DL has publicly said they want 4, yes FOUR regionals POST MERGER. This does NOT count the wholly owned of Comair, Mesaba, and Compass. So look at the current list and you can see where this is going. XJT was planned and well known about as far as coming off the list.
We can almost assure these (off the top of my head)
-Comair
-XJ (Mesaba)
-Compass
1. Republic (170's)
2. Skywest
3. ASA
4.? Pinnacle- the -200's are in the contract with merger protection, -900's are a maybe and we will leave it at that. We did get new routes posted on DL for flying in September so who knows about July 31st.
Contenders (with contracts I may add)
Pinnacle (900's)
Mesa (injunction/contract/performance)
I know I am missing some... which ones?
SkyWest/ASA could be considered one company....just like you refer Republic, instead of CHQ, and Shuttle America seperatly.
SkyWest/ASA could be considered one company....just like you refer Republic, instead of CHQ, and Shuttle America seperatly.
It could be, but is that how DAL management views it? Their opinion is the only one that matters in this case. My understanding was that they counted SKW and ASA as two regionals.
??? so your saying xjt isnt one of the better paying regionals? because thats what he was saying. Yes you are right some of the routes were skw routes prior to expressjets 2 yr deal but we did start flying a lot more out of SLC recently. Nothing unexpected? it was supposed to go till June of 09! Many of those routes wont be replaced by another regional either. Delta canceled service to a lot of places out of LAX recently.
Sorry to see that we couldnt keep the 10 airplane cpa till june of 09 but it appears we left on good terms with delta management. Maybe in better times they will remember us.
Nope. We all know that XJT is arguably the best paying regional. My response to moon was invoked because, read between the lines, his post suggested SkyWest to be an undercutter in this case...completely ridiculous and unnecessary.
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Nope. We all know that XJT is arguably the best paying regional. My response to moon was invoked because, read between the lines, his post suggested SkyWest to be an undercutter in this case...completely ridiculous and unnecessary.
I didn't read it that way. In no way did he hint, suggest, or otherwise give any clue to that fact, as true as it may or may not be.
You just read too much into it or that is what you wanted to read into it.
Oh my god...what did I mean by this post? Don't read too much into it now or try to read between the lines.
Sometimes people just mean what they say and say what they mean. I personally know BlueMoon, and he is a straight shooter. If he wanted to talk smack about Skywest, he would have come out and done so.
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But he sounded sore over it nonetheless...!
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