buddies8

metered at 20 minimum and are owed the seats withheld. so 50 per class metered at 20 eagle/envoy is owed 5 seats with no lock and no new hires required for a class for the withheld. if not wrong.

dash8

i dont disagree that seniority number is better

but the program eagle has is leagues beyond the loop hole ridden language we have, they aren't even close....

Joliet

American Eagle ground handling makes money the real money. At least if you are going to link a giant document to try and bury someone on a message board because you must be the only one to listen to the conference call, be correct!

Who says where I work.. It could be a company operated by American Airlines Group just like you, brother!!

Until that 824 runs out Eagle has a flow, then I guarantee you the well will run dry, and people will be held just like at PSA, Compass, and so on, or the agreement will go away, and AAG will say take us to court, and Doug will win again since the precedent of "flow throughs disappearing has been set so many times. A seniority number matters, and everything else that works is just the Company and Association actually working together until something changes.

You also do not mention that below 3 years seniority at Eagle has no flow through. I guess those pilots don't matter?

Yes the language isn't as strong, and until the music stops (read they go through all the guys who have been out of work/are furloughed from CO. XYZ/1500 hour pattern wranglers, and military guys). It's already being metered quite a bit. It's a mess.

Seniority Number. They want us to be able to compete with Delta, then give us a deal similar to what Compass has now.

ccjaxpilot

The pilots after 10/2011 have guaranteed interviews like you.

SkylineAviation

I never claimed to be the only one to listen to any conference calls, but because I listen to them I am quite certain there is no language about Envoy "hemorrhaging" money. Nor is there any information that states that Envoy is only profitable due to ground handling. Once again you're pulling misguided and fabricated information out of midair.

I linked the SEC reports in-order for you to provide the sentence, line report, and/or document that supports your statements. Of which I argue there is none.

Until you're able substantiate your comments regarding Envoy's finances you would be best served to just shut up about it. If I'm wrong somewhere please provide some sort of link or direct verbiage from any SEC filing showing where I'm wrong. Until then, just admit you don't know what you're talking about.

buddies8

joilet says "American Eagle ground handling makes money the real money."

prove that please. envoy flight department cannot get other contractors to do there ground handling at a cheaper cost. ground handling charges flight an non competitive fee for the service and this charge subsidizes the rest of the operation for ground services.

stop being a management flunky, being that there is/are no factual financial statements that are audited on eagle/envoy. you sound like pedro.

lakehouse

His reality is based on bottom feeding and under cutting. It's easier to look yourself in the mirror when you tell yourself that the guys your under cutting are over paid and bleeding money. It might actually cause him to be a human being for a second if he has to realize he is working for less when the other guys are profitable without the cuts.

PilotJ3

Relax, can Eagle Pilots say.... PROFIT SHARING??? They keep doing money, we keep getting money.

BTW expect Envoy pilots to receive at least 2% pay raise next year due to our IAI. Plus $1.90 in per diem...

Kirby already said that Envoy will get airplanes eventually. Like they said before, they will refleet all the wholly owned regionals.

Joliet is only jealous that we have a flow and he have an interview. BTW aeverybody after Oct 2011 have preferential interview by seniority like PDT and PSA.

BSOuthisplace

PDT's SSP differs from PSA's in that it's not in seniority order and 3 a month vs 4. From what I've heard, a true flow was being considered by AAG but because of our current staffing issues and group being tied up in negotiations with Eagle, it was put on hold.

I'm hoping that's what this meeting is about on the 7th and 8th. A flow would really help our ability to find quality pilots IMO.

pagey

PSA/PDTs agreement is not just for interviews. AAG must make 4, or 3, respectively, job offers.

I'm not saying this is good or even want to be in this argument but you all crucified that other guy for not having facts straight and then go and not get your own facts straight.

It's not the best language around and I wouldn't bank on it for my future but at the end of the day 7 pilots/month from PSA/PDT have job offers at Airways.