Jersdawg

What's done is done. Pay PSA no mind. There are bigger things to worry about, and continually bashing on PSA plays right into management's hands. No one likes what they did, and trust me we all will remember that vote, but the infighting has got to stop.

Survivor

"Duane.... we need your guidance."
-Rambo

Survivor

True that.

Remember this one?:
"Duane... we need your guidance."
-Rambo (He's killed people.)

fisherman

So since the PSA pilots stabbed us all in the back, does that justify PDT pilots to stab us all in the back? I don't follow your reasoning. Since the PDT MEC didn't sign the document, that makes the rest of us suspect the PDT pilots want to take concessions.

BSOuthisplace

We don't know what this upcoming meeting is about. How about waiting to see before we jump to conclusions. I'm sure if it ends up being about parking the dashes and turning PDT into a ground handling operation no one outside PDT would care.

And as for the FFDC group letter, it's meaningless since PSA signed. I think our MEC chairman's point in not signing the letter was that we had signed similar letters in the past only to be stabbed in the back. Now we have a letter with a signee that has just a few months before screwed everyone over, and we're expected to just accept it, even though we had no say in writing it.

Actions speak louder than words. Here's a suggestion to the FFDC group. Work on creating a regional pilot master seniority list, or at the very least offer to any pilot group that turns down these aircraft, straight DOH integration of seniority lists in the event of a merger.

At PDT we have zero leverage in negotiations right now. We have an aged fleet and pilot group, with no hope for a better future. Do you think the guys here in their 50s and 60s (and we have a lot) give a crap about stopping the whipsaw. Most just wanna make it to retirement without having to find another job. The rest of the industry should rally around PDT pilots and support them with actions like DOH merged lists should an offer like Eagles or PSAs be put forth by AAG, instead of just sending threats and demands to our MEC.

CBreezy

So you support concessions for a fleet plan.

BSOuthisplace

No. I'm guessing you failed reading comprehension in grade school. I'm a younger pilot that could go to any other regional if this place closes. I'm a solid no vote for a PSA or Eagle style deal.

I'm suggesting action to support PDT pilots through gestures such as DOH merger agreements. Eagle, XJT, and RAH have leverage due to their sheer size. They can continue to say no to every offer and know they will still be around for the foreseeable future. PDT, not so much.

CBreezy

No. You essentially said your pilot group is being backed into a corner and without our help, you'll be forced to take concessions. My reading comprehension is fantastic. Thanks for asking.

What

PDT has a few hundred pilots whom currently feed 100% AAG, If the FOs on the list are let go as they shut you down there is no guarantee that the majority are going to feed AAG with their new carrier, so in essence they would be giving the competition a good number of pilots that will help them with the current staffing problems. You are offering a bonus as a way to attract new hires and currently AAG is transferring block ours to mainline as the regionals are unable to staff the flying. RAH, AE and PSA all have reduced the block hours flown in the last few weeks due to staffing. You have more leverage than you think. I command you for not letting other bully you. Publicly we don't know what the talks are about, the PDT pilots are in need of good news but you guys have a whole lot of leverage. Don't allow them to put you against the rest of the industry and keep your head high!

BSOuthisplace

Right, so if we say no to the deal and they decide to park the rest of the dashes and merge us with another wholly owned like PSA or Eagle, I guarantee you we will get screwed in a seniority integration because we are so incredibly small and senior (310 active pilots last time I checked). All I'm saying is for other groups to show a little goodwill and unity and maybe turn some of our senior guys and gals to a no vote.

Let me give you some perspective on PDT and especially our more senior pilots. They see airlines like Republic and Mesa that have seen growth at their expense, and don't trust a single thing they say. From their perspective they see Mesa, PSA RAH for years get shiny new jets, take their flying and grow, 2-3 year upgrades flying on awful contracts, and now all of a sudden the music stops, party is over. No one take anymore shiny jets and shame on you for thinking about it. In their minds we are due some good news here at PDT. Not even necessarily good news, just Fing NEWS! There is no vision of the future here, we are just slowly fading into oblivion. As was said in the letter from our MEC chair, we are hoping to come out of this meeting with some sort of idea about what AAG has planned for us. If they want us to fly new aircraft, merge with another carrier, bleed out with a flow to American, or just shut us down, we are hoping for an answer in a couple weeks. From there we can respond.

I'm just tired of reading comments from snot nosed RJ pilots that think they have PDT figured out. These pilots btw are the same ones that gladly signed up to fly an RJ for awful pay and work rules at places like RAH and try and hide under the umbrella excuse of ,"well, we're turning it around". I applaud RAH for their recent TA vote but for a lot of guys here at PDT the damage has already been done in lost wages and lost careers.