Your right. There are. I guess I will give up on flying and work a desk job till I retire. Cause that is were I stand right now. Or, You can work the desk job, I will take your job till I get the hours to move on. That would help keep me away from GJ. Take one for the team.
Have a nice life/career at gj. By the way, you being 41 and me being a 20 something doesn't it any less despicable that you are going over there.
no..he should not be careful. you should be careful with whom your stabbing in the back. we are all going to be out of a job (not to mention those who lost their jobs when gj was created) because of people like...well...YOU! i think i speak on behalf of most waterskiers here when i say we dont care what excuse you have, there isn't one good enough for going there! if you were in the military, in this economy, you shoulda stayed. if your pushing 40 with kids and no retirement, why would u go to gj anyway. its the same management. dont believe me, go to the stc building and look at one of the gj memo's on the wall and see the president's name that signed it. same clown as here at tsa. your simply showing your lack of knowledge and care for your fellow pilots.
It's really unfortunate for TSA. But it will always remain a bottom feeder until the very end. It's nobody's fault that that's the case, not even Gojet pilots. I'm sure everybody would like to think that TSA management would make things a whole lot better if GJ wasn't around but I'm sure we all know that's not the case so what's the point of all this fighting?
Last edited by AirWillie : 07-17-2008 at 02:49 AM.
While I agree with the fact that GJ is counter-productive, there really is a huge amount of immaturity in the regional pilot group. This is a time where any flying job is a good thing. If someone wants to go there, be honest with yourself, its NOT going to affect you. Why do you care what other people decide to do with their careers? GoJet isnt going away anytime soon so talking bad about it doesnt do you any good.... And no im not at GoJet, I have never applied there, and dont plan on it... But if someone wants to go there leave them alone....
If you really want to be mad at someone it should be the people who helped to start the airline, but even now that should be at a minimum. Quit acting like you are 10 years old again...
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While I agree with the fact that GJ is counter-productive, there really is a huge amount of immaturity in the regional pilot group. This is a time where any flying job is a good thing. If someone wants to go there, be honest with yourself, its NOT going to affect you. Why do you care what other people decide to do with their careers? GoJet isnt going away anytime soon so talking bad about it doesnt do you any good.... And no im not at GoJet, I have never applied there, and dont plan on it... But if someone wants to go there leave them alone....
If you really want to be mad at someone it should be the people who helped to start the airline, but even now that should be at a minimum. Quit acting like you are 10 years old again...
Love the avatar but you are mistaken on a few points here.
Saying that what one pilot group does has no affect on others is completely false. Tell that to the guys at United and Delta who saw their payrates and contracts soaring thanks to pattern bargaining ("We want what they got plus one") only to have those gutted post 9/11 to cut costs and bring them inline with "industry average". Everyone talks about CAL like it is some magical promised land. Well newsflash folks, after 9/11 all the other carriers came DOWN to CAL's level on payrates and their contract sucks (yes, CAL took concessions too but very modest compared to others). Any time a contract is negotiated based on "industry average" it is affected by morons at places like GJ flying a 70 seat RJ for peanuts. Anytime management looks at another pilot group and says "well they are doing it for less, why won't you?" YOU are affected. Ever heard the phrase "a rising tide lifts all ships"? Well the same goes for a falling tide. Think it doesn't affect another pilot? Go talk to a furloughed TSA guy when hes standing in line at the unemployment office while the slimeballs over at GJ fly airplanes that should have been on property at TSA.
I agree with you, GoJet is here to stay. And yes, we should all be mad at the slimeball management that created it. But they still need pilots to move airplanes. And as long as pilots will sell their mothers to the local prostitution establishment and stab their brother in the back to fly big shiny airplanes, we will continue to be our own worst enemy. But if you want the bar raised (and I think we all do) then we have to show some unity and not turn a blind eye to pilots who are stepping on the backs of others all in the name of "putting food on the table" (lamest excuse EVER). Who do you think is going to be ultimately responsible for raising the bar? Management?
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Last edited by freezingflyboy : 07-17-2008 at 07:25 AM.
Well the first step to unifying the pilot group as a WHOLE (which will NEVER happen) is we need ONE union that can work for ALL of us. Each company's pilot group is working for only its own goals. Until we all work towards the same one we will never be unified. Besides GoJet is so small that it doesnt effect bigger carriers like republic or ASA/Skywest who fly 70 seaters.
The argument of putting food on the table applies more than you think. Too many pilots put themselves in a bad position where the only marketable skills they have are the certificates in their wallets. They dont get other experience (i.e. degree in another field or military experience) and then when there is no where else to turn, its either companies like gojet or they LITERALLY will not be able to feed their families. You can not fault these people for going to these employers. You can only fault them for putting themselves in a bad spot. If you REALLY want to unify the pilot group, quit treating these guys like they are the scum of the earth. Treat them like PEOPLE. Kinda reminds me of segregation time in this country. You guys treat them as if they are one step away from being lepers. Until we all treat each other as equals AND PROFESSIONALS like we ALL are, we will NEVER be unified.
Now I have a question for you.... Why does everyone keep saying that gojet is undercutting everyone when its payscale is not that far off of other carriers with 70 seaters?? Sure as an FO you could make more elsewhere by a few dollars an hour, but as a captain pay is pretty close to the other competitors.... Yes I understand they were started in a pretty hostile way, but they are an established airline....
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Nobody is acting like a 10 year old. Simply pointing out that whether or not they are an established airline, whether or not they have a union and a contract, whether or not their pay rates are inline with other 70 seat rates, the bottom line is they are flying aircraft that should be on OUR seniority list and that is putting US out of a job. that my friend, makes going there inexcusable.
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Agree with you on the unity being a tough row to hoe. BS flag on the "needing" the job. Not having another skill or being to lazy, narrow-minded or lacking the ambition to acquire another skill or step away from aviation for a little while is NEVER an excuse to throw your fellow pilots under the bus. Period. There are more jobs out there than you think that anyone who can hack aviation can do well. I have an aviation degree and was offered as an insurance agent and stock broker making decent money. There are lots of opportunities our there for those willing to look.
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Can we talk about how moving to first year pay anywhere, gojet included, doesn't pay enough money to "feed the family"? You can make 22,000 doing just about anything, but regardless of that... guys who start at gojet making 22,000 really aren't putting their families first... guys putting their families first would want to be home at night, make a livable wage, etc etc. OBviously theres some shiny jet syndrome going around here.
Best of luck to all furloughed and not going to GJ, and those that will be furloughed. I'm right behind ya probably in December or so. Air Traffic Control here I come. Lindbergh XXXX expect holding over FWA!
ahahahahaha that is great.
ATC is my in the back of mind too. that would be some funny ****
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