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Old 09-04-2008, 02:45 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I smell a certain sense of hypocracy in the forum. I'm not shure if most of us know what the outcome of this deal will be and what the alternative is. Somehow i feel RAH guys are getting the advantadge, atleast short term. I get the sense that this talk is just that. Talk. It's cool to say; "boo whipsaw", "boo management" but nobody explains why. I genuinly don't understand why this would be bad for RAH. Maybe it's because i don't have the intention of ever working for Medex. Please explain how this is bad for RAH.
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Old 09-04-2008, 02:48 PM   #12 (permalink)
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It isn't. It's bad because RAH pilots don't want a job at the direct expense of someone else losing theirs.
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Old 09-04-2008, 02:49 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I smell a certain sense of hypocracy in the forum. I'm not shure if most of us know what the outcome of this deal will be and what the alternative is. Somehow i feel RAH guys are getting the advantadge, atleast short term. I get the sense that this talk is just that. Talk. It's cool to say; "boo whipsaw", "boo management" but nobody explains why. I genuinly don't understand why this would be bad for RAH. Maybe it's because i don't have the intention of ever working for Medex. Please explain how this is bad for RAH.

Wow. Just wow.
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Old 09-04-2008, 03:00 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I smell a certain sense of hypocracy in the forum. I'm not shure if most of us know what the outcome of this deal will be and what the alternative is. Somehow i feel RAH guys are getting the advantadge, atleast short term. I get the sense that this talk is just that. Talk. It's cool to say; "boo whipsaw", "boo management" but nobody explains why. I genuinly don't understand why this would be bad for RAH. Maybe it's because i don't have the intention of ever working for Medex. Please explain how this is bad for RAH.
at the start, the Midwest guys?gals are getting hosed (lower pay for these planes, or else!).

later a double whammy for RAH of a scope violation (no one can fly our planes but us) and a contract violation when the company either keeps us on our planes to comply with a judgment, or renigs on a legally binding contract.

none of the above are good, and no one on the line @RAH likes it. furloughs included.
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Old 09-04-2008, 03:03 PM   #15 (permalink)
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It isn't. It's bad because RAH pilots don't want a job at the direct expense of someone else losing theirs.
But isn't that what "jet-regionals" are founded on anyways? Why is this worse than for example RAH picking up more delta flying on the expense of Delta mainline?
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at the start, the Midwest guys?gals are getting hosed (lower pay for these planes, or else!).

later a double whammy for RAH of a scope violation (no one can fly our planes but us) and a contract violation when the company either keeps us on our planes to comply with a judgment, or renigs on a legally binding contract.

none of the above are good, and no one on the line @RAH likes it. furloughs included.
I fully understand why it isn't good for Midwest guys. I feel sorry for everyone of the furloughees. I heard it was a great company. However i don't understand why this would be bad for RAH.
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Old 09-04-2008, 03:15 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Nice to see threads like this. From a XJ guy who's already been through a furlough, much gained respect for you RAH guys and gals. I'm also pulling for Midwest... would be a sad day if your airline goes under.

On a side note: Joachim, it's okay if you don't get it... some people just can't see the forest through the trees.
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Old 09-04-2008, 03:27 PM   #18 (permalink)
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...Another thread that says: "its bad, mkay"

Why???

How is this a bad move on RAH's part???
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But isn't that what "jet-regionals" are founded on anyways? Why is this worse than for example RAH picking up more delta flying on the expense of Delta mainline?
In the grand scheme of things any regional flying, be it a B1900 or CRJ900, is there for regional feed as contracted to the codeshare.

This is a different situation. This is our company and Midwest playing slight of hand with the pilot groups directly. Our planes without our bodies, their bodies without their planes. Completely different. This is not DAL releasing a bid out for companies to put offers on.

There are multitude of reasons this is different and a multitude of reasons that it's leaving a bad taste in everyone's mouth. If for some reason you see this as the same as any "jet-regional" flying for another codeshare then it might do you better to sit back and read everything that's taking place for a little while before posting on it again.
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Old 09-04-2008, 03:55 PM   #20 (permalink)
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...Another thread that says: "its bad, mkay"

Why???

How is this a bad move on RAH's part???
Because we are being used as pawns to whipsaw another pilot group. Because our planes will be flown without our bodies. Because it directly violates the language in our contract. The company does not get to pick and chose what rules to follow. Regardless of how I feel about this deal I expect the contract to be followed none the less.
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