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Old 11-09-2008, 02:48 PM   #171 (permalink)
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What would stop TSA Holdings or any other company for that matter, from just creating another company? You would never get senior; you may never see 5 year pay.

Companies would just start a new company and tell everyone to move over and start them back at first year pay...over and over and over....
Scope.

TSA does have a no alter-ego clause in our contract, however, it wasn't airtight enough to float in the judges court. Now that Gojet is already in operation, there is nothing in the TSA contract, to help ensure our jobs over theirs, or our airplanes and flying over TSH airplanes and flying...least nothing i've found.
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Old 11-09-2008, 03:02 PM   #172 (permalink)
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I think it's funny how the Gojet guys would come out of the woodwork on every other thread saying they were "Only created because TSA couldn't fly 70 seaters!"... I'm guessing now everyone understands what BS that argument was... They're there solely to take our jobs, and now they're doing it literally as well.
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Old 11-09-2008, 04:12 PM   #173 (permalink)
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I agree. enough gojet talk though... please

if anymore gojet talk on here, just ignore for the sake of this thread
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Old 11-09-2008, 05:09 PM   #174 (permalink)
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I think it's funny how the Gojet guys would come out of the woodwork on every other thread saying they were "Only created because TSA couldn't fly 70 seaters!"... I'm guessing now everyone understands what BS that argument was... They're there solely to take our jobs, and now they're doing it literally as well.
Quit your whining! I get so tired of hearing how hard you guys and gals at TSA have it! Hulas has not broken any rules nor have the pilots broken any rules. Get used to it, YOU ARE A COMMUTER PILOT. Even under the worst of conditions you still have it better than the commuter pilots of just 10 years ago had it. Funny how you didn't think much about taking a job which stole mainline routes. You and your ilk have done more damage to the public perception of the plight of airline flight crews with your whining, ipods, no hats, disrespect for a clean and pressed uniform, and general I don't care attitude than any alter ego company could possibly do. I will say one thing positive about Go Jets and that is that when I was in ORD I never saw ONE of their pilots who was not neatly and profesionally dressed. If you don't like the situation you are in then either change it, shut up about it, or quit.
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Old 11-09-2008, 06:33 PM   #175 (permalink)
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Quit your whining! I get so tired of hearing how hard you guys and gals at TSA have it! Hulas has not broken any rules nor have the pilots broken any rules. Get used to it, YOU ARE A COMMUTER PILOT. Even under the worst of conditions you still have it better than the commuter pilots of just 10 years ago had it. Funny how you didn't think much about taking a job which stole mainline routes. You and your ilk have done more damage to the public perception of the plight of airline flight crews with your whining, ipods, no hats, disrespect for a clean and pressed uniform, and general I don't care attitude than any alter ego company could possibly do. I will say one thing positive about Go Jets and that is that when I was in ORD I never saw ONE of their pilots who was not neatly and profesionally dressed. If you don't like the situation you are in then either change it, shut up about it, or quit.
Yeah, and I'll bet that you never saw their badges either as they were neatly tucked away in their shirt pocket. And please get off of the "We stole mainline routes" routine. The mainline pilots didn't do much to stop it and it was the mainline airline that gave it away, I personally didn't take it from them (you). Bottom line is that in 4 months time, I will be sitting on the street with 2700 hours and about 1500 in the jet while some newbie out of ERAU with 200 hours and a 717 type will be taking a job flying for our alter ego airline. Don't tell me to quit whining, I work for Uncle Hulie, I've earned that right.
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Old 11-09-2008, 06:41 PM   #176 (permalink)
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I'll remind many people that A LOT of scope was lost through bankruptcy contracts which were REJECTED by pilot groups, but so kindfully SHOVED down their throats by Bankruptcy Judges. Not ALL regional flying was GIVEN away by mainline pilots.

That being said, I sympathize with TSA pilots. HK is a SCUMBAG.

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Well, talked to my buddy in the hanger, who gave me some news on Gojet getting more CRJ-700's quite a while back. He hadn't heard any rumors of them getting CR2's until a couple minutes before i talked to him. And said it apparently is just floating around the pilot ranks, and as he knows, there's no one from the hanger running around the desert do pre-buy's on old Canadair jets either....

On the contrary, one of the other pilots i know, did inform me of his sources, and they sound somewhat legitimate, especially being that there was the "emergency" meeting, and the e-mail TSA received from the union of "we can't confirm , or, deny anything"....I'd Rather they just deny it and put our qualms to rest, or, confirm it so the pilot group can burn the place down....either way, it's better than the wait and see approach....that ranks right up there with FLY NOW....GRIEVE LATER!
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Quit your whining! I get so tired of hearing how hard you guys and gals at TSA have it! Hulas has not broken any rules nor have the pilots broken any rules. Get used to it, YOU ARE A COMMUTER PILOT. Even under the worst of conditions you still have it better than the commuter pilots of just 10 years ago had it. Funny how you didn't think much about taking a job which stole mainline routes. You and your ilk have done more damage to the public perception of the plight of airline flight crews with your whining, ipods, no hats, disrespect for a clean and pressed uniform, and general I don't care attitude than any alter ego company could possibly do. I will say one thing positive about Go Jets and that is that when I was in ORD I never saw ONE of their pilots who was not neatly and profesionally dressed. If you don't like the situation you are in then either change it, shut up about it, or quit.
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Quit your whining! I get so tired of hearing how hard you guys and gals at TSA have it! Hulas has not broken any rules nor have the pilots broken any rules.

He's only trying to get rid of an ALPA carrier and transfer everything to a union busting airline.


Get used to it, YOU ARE A COMMUTER PILOT. Even under the worst of conditions you still have it better than the commuter pilots of just 10 years ago had it.

And with the same pay and work rules. We just fly jets.

Funny how you didn't think much about taking a job which stole mainline routes.

The day you can fly a mainline jet without bankrupting your airline from ORD to MLI, you can have MY job.


You and your ilk have done more damage to the public perception of the plight of airline flight crews with your whining, ipods, no hats, disrespect for a clean and pressed uniform, and general I don't care attitude \

Yea Ok. The majority of us are professionals. I've seen Fedex pilots with dirty uniforms, what is your point.


I will say one thing positive about Go Jets and that is that when I was in ORD I never saw ONE of their pilots who was not neatly and profesionally dressed. If you don't like the situation you are in then either change it, shut up about it, or quit.

It's hard to do any of that when we have to deal with "well dressed" union busting alter ego pilots isn't it?
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