As for my previous post, trump it up to a very long day and the fact that I am tired of hearing more bad news every time that I show up for work.
Maxjet,
I won't say that I don't understand where you may be coming from, but the fact is that times have changed since the good ole days of flying and the regionals were a huge part of that change. Pilots bichering at pilots about who stole what routes is a pointless fight that no one will ever win. What myself and my compadres at TSA are talking about are not losing routes, but losing our jobs to an airline that was created to circumvent our CBA. All of us pilots, not just TSA, have sacrificed a lot to do what we do for a living. It is really a kick in the pants to have to think about losing your job so your alter-ego airline can replace you with a pilot who has benn flying for probably not even a year, and then to have somebody tell you not to whine about just adds insult to serious injury. Nine years of flying and this is what I have to show for it. And I know that I am not alone. Bottom line is that pilots need to be helping each other in these times, not blaming them for things that happened in the past.
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Quit your whining! I get so tired of hearing how hard you guys and gals at TSA have it! Hulas has not broken any rules nor have the pilots broken any rules. Get used to it, YOU ARE A COMMUTER PILOT. Even under the worst of conditions you still have it better than the commuter pilots of just 10 years ago had it. Funny how you didn't think much about taking a job which stole mainline routes. You and your ilk have done more damage to the public perception of the plight of airline flight crews with your whining, ipods, no hats, disrespect for a clean and pressed uniform, and general I don't care attitude than any alter ego company could possibly do. I will say one thing positive about Go Jets and that is that when I was in ORD I never saw ONE of their pilots who was not neatly and profesionally dressed. If you don't like the situation you are in then either change it, shut up about it, or quit.
Maybe that's because many of them are 23 years old, have 500 hours, are willing to work for peanuts if they can fly a shiny jet because they have no clue (and are not interested in getting one) why shiny 70-seat airliners pay peanuts and require exhausting duty days.
Maybe it's because people like you are so willing to agree with those making good money off of them (management and owners) that these jobs are esentially worthless stepping stone positions not worthy of decent treatment and compensation.
The truth does get very tiring sometimes and if the only worthwhile benefit is a shiny jet and a spiffy uniform, you've learned absolutely nothing.
Maybe it's because people like you are so willing to agree with those making good money off of them (management and owners) that these jobs are esentially worthless stepping stone positions not worthy of decent treatment and compensation.[/quote]
I don't think that you understand my point. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!
If you think for one second that Hulas, Ornstein or any other CEO is going to not do something that benefits him and stays within the rules just because it may hurt your lively hood then you are not just naive but stupid! I felt sorry for the TSA folks when GoJets started. I was working out of the same crew room as them in IAD at the time. The solution at the time was simple. If what I was told by the TSA pilots is correct all that they had to do was have a large number of TSA pilots move over to GoJets and when they had sufficient numbers take control of the union. They could not get their MEC to condone such a plan because of ego's. The TSA MEC was "going to show that scumbag Hulas that he can't F with us" Well guess what, you lost! Now you want to come on here and get everybody to feel sorry for you because you are losing you job? You want people to persecute pilots who fly for GoJets? Why? Because of your inept union management? Another thing, quit blaming ALPA National for your problems. TSA problems are in house and due to poor Union behavior from both a fragmented membership and ego maniac union reps. you have given your jobs away just like you say mainline has given their routes away. One last thing. If you are in this business for the money then you are truly a fool. I personally love to fly which is why I persevere after 2 furloughs in the past year.
Mine is 30mm, fires 4,000 rounds a minute, and is several inches long. Let's play the "who's is bigger" game. Crikey, I'm one of the furloughed guys from Hulas' camp........guess what, he's going to to whatever the hell he wants. Sorry to say it, but it's capitalism and it absolutely blows......but what am I going to be able to do unless a large group of my co-workers and others from all the other airlines put up or shut up at this point? If we want to make something happen, it has to be on a broad scale and people need to stop going back and forth with eachother. This very thing we keep arguing over will be the demise of any job security with an airline in the future, if not now.
With the lower and lower profit margins, it is just a matter of time before most regional flying will become wholly owned. The fact of allowing another administration to earn a profit that does not benefit the existing shareholders of the mainline company will eventually become an extremely hard sell...
The long long term results will be the eventual consolidation of the mainline companies with their regional wholly owned airlines....
1st the BOD's and shareholders will demand the money stay in house
2nd they will demand to reduce costs by consolidating services.....
Running two, or three, part 121 carriers side by side may help when you negotiate contracts, but if you compare the cost savings from only needing on mx dept, one dispatch, one SOC, one training center, and only one administration... the long term savings are incredible....
The smaller planes will become the entry level aircraft, and the current payscles will just stay about the same.... but the days of outside contractors being able to make a profit will eventually come to a close, as more mainline companies seek to keep every scrap of potential profit to themselves.
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Mine is 30mm, fires 4,000 rounds a minute, and is several inches long. Let's play the "who's is bigger" game. Crikey, I'm one of the furloughed guys from Hulas' camp........guess what, he's going to to whatever the hell he wants. Sorry to say it, but it's capitalism and it absolutely blows......but what am I going to be able to do unless a large group of my co-workers and others from all the other airlines put up or shut up at this point? If we want to make something happen, it has to be on a broad scale and people need to stop going back and forth with eachother. This very thing we keep arguing over will be the demise of any job security with an airline in the future, if not now.
I couldn't agree with you more. By the way thanks for serving.
Mine is 30mm, fires 4,000 rounds a minute, and is several inches long. Let's play the "who's is bigger" game. Crikey, I'm one of the furloughed guys from Hulas' camp........guess what, he's going to to whatever the hell he wants. Sorry to say it, but it's capitalism and it absolutely blows......but what am I going to be able to do unless a large group of my co-workers and others from all the other airlines put up or shut up at this point? If we want to make something happen, it has to be on a broad scale and people need to stop going back and forth with eachother. This very thing we keep arguing over will be the demise of any job security with an airline in the future, if not now.
With the lower and lower profit margins, it is just a matter of time before most regional flying will become wholly owned. The fact of allowing another administration to earn a profit that does not benefit the existing shareholders of the mainline company will eventually become an extremely hard sell...
The long long term results will be the eventual consolidation of the mainline companies with their regional wholly owned airlines....
1st the BOD's and shareholders will demand the money stay in house
2nd they will demand to reduce costs by consolidating services.....
Running two, or three, part 121 carriers side by side may help when you negotiate contracts, but if you compare the cost savings from only needing on mx dept, one dispatch, one SOC, one training center, and only one administration... the long term savings are incredible....
The smaller planes will become the entry level aircraft, and the current payscles will just stay about the same.... but the days of outside contractors being able to make a profit will eventually come to a close, as more mainline companies seek to keep every scrap of potential profit to themselves.
Hahahaha...what delusional fantasy world are you living in?!?!
Do you HONESTLY think that the current system of sub-contracting small aircraft flying is a recent or accidental development? Do you HONESTLY think that if it was cheaper or more efficient for a mainline carrier to fly every route on their own metal that they would still rather outsource that flying? Lets pretend you're even half-right and mainline carriers go back to the system of wholly-owned regional partners, THEY ARE STILL OUTSOURCING FLYING. And you, as a pilot at that wholly-owned regional, are still nothing more than an entry-level B-scale employee.
Why would any mainline carrier want to take on the additional risk and cost of operating their own regional unit when they can contract out that flying for cheaper. Even if they go one step further and bring that regional flying completely in-house and operate the regional aircraft on the same certificate and seniority lists, all you've done is increase your total labor costs (longer longevity), your fleet costs now that you've added a new type to your operation AND your own management overhead now that your operation is that much larger.
When a mainline carrier contracts out with 2 or 3 or 4 different regional carriers they don't care that there are 2 or 3 or 4 duplicated managements or operations people or maintenance or whatever. All they are looking at is a simple cost-comparison. They look at what it would cost them to do the flying themselves (cost A) and what it would cost to pay a small-lift operator to do the flying (cost B). If cost A > cost B then that flying goes to the small-lift operator. It really is as simple as that. They don't call them bean-counters for nothing.
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Back to the original topic, I talked to a maintenance guy today. He said the only thing he's heard about was Hojet getting some more 700s... He said it'd suck if they got 200's 'cause they were "pieces of crap".
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