Title Match tomorrow: Heavy Weight (Delta) VS. Middle Weight (MESA)
#101
1994 - 1995, JO works for CO Express (under David Bonderman)
1996 - 1997, JO is CEO of Virgin Express
1998 - present, JO is CEO of Mesa
Frank left Texas Air Group in 1990. When did JO work for Frank?
BTW, when I speak of quality I’m not talking about the pilots. . . . No, when I’m talk about quality I’m talking about the a/c and other aspects. All one has to do is get on board and see the lack of care . . . (when you two leg commute you quickly get to know who is Q and who is not).
All this talk about Delta's 'focus on quality' is great, but this focus on Mesa's potential removal as a primary part of this process is ridiculous. We’re talking about the world’s largest airline, and they have no first class product and outdated facilities in a hub most of their premium passengers pass through – believe me, that stands out a good deal more than the differences b/t a Mesa, a Comair, and a Skywest flight (I don’t see an appreciable difference, honestly – I’ve had good and bad experiences everywhere in equal frequency).
The contract is all that matters here. It appears both Mesa and Delta admit Mesa fell below the minimum performance levels, allowing Delta to get out of the contract. None of us know why Delta chose to attempt to exercise this option with Mesa and not another carrier. All that matters is the contract:
1) Does the contract differentiate between cancellations due to actions by Delta and those within Mesa's control?
2) If so, did Mesa initiate cancellations of flights on the request of Delta?
3) If so, can Mesa show, through a preponderance of the evidence (ie, was it more likely than not) that Mesa would have been in compliance with the contract had Delta not interfered?
It doesn't matter what Delta pilots, Delta Connection pilots, or even Delta's premium passengers think - only the contract and the courts matter now.
What matters most though – a Steeler’s victory tomorrow!
#102
The new stadium is very nice and now it's become an event to attend. I fear that once the newness wears off and they start to stink again, you'll see the stadium start to thin out as their bandwagon fans move on. Not many teams have the solid fan support equal to that of GB, CHI, CLE, NY (2), PHI, PIT, DAL, etc.
When I lived there I found it odd that the majority of the fans at the game where there to watch the visiting team. I know I went every time the Cowboys were in town, tickets where CHEAP!!! I'd say a large majority of AZn's are transplanted peeps from other parts of the county/world, so it's kind-of understandable.
When I lived there I found it odd that the majority of the fans at the game where there to watch the visiting team. I know I went every time the Cowboys were in town, tickets where CHEAP!!! I'd say a large majority of AZn's are transplanted peeps from other parts of the county/world, so it's kind-of understandable.
Useless rant out.
#103
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Delta seems to have got itself into several contracts that it would dump tomorrow if it could. SkyWest had Delta in a tough position and got a sweetheart deal.
#104
Important things to remember:
1) Mesa is cheap
2) As much as the pride of Delta wants to think they are all about quality, price still matters.
3) Delta wants to shrink regional lift.
4) Mesa was the easiest target after cutting out huge chunks of others (Comair, ASA... more to come)
5) As much as everyone hates JO, he is good at what he does and will probably put up a good fight and possibly win.
6) Saying Mesa will lose cause you think you work at a better regional and you like to feel better than someone else shows how ignorant you are.
7) For every person who hopes Mesa will liquidate, someone hopes your company will liquidate as well.
8) I would bet there are more "fair weather" Steelers fans than Cardinals fans any day.
9) A drink count is the best idea yet.
10) Drink count - 6
1) Mesa is cheap
2) As much as the pride of Delta wants to think they are all about quality, price still matters.
3) Delta wants to shrink regional lift.
4) Mesa was the easiest target after cutting out huge chunks of others (Comair, ASA... more to come)
5) As much as everyone hates JO, he is good at what he does and will probably put up a good fight and possibly win.
6) Saying Mesa will lose cause you think you work at a better regional and you like to feel better than someone else shows how ignorant you are.
7) For every person who hopes Mesa will liquidate, someone hopes your company will liquidate as well.
8) I would bet there are more "fair weather" Steelers fans than Cardinals fans any day.
9) A drink count is the best idea yet.
10) Drink count - 6
#105
Oh you heard. Well now it comes out. For a second it sounded like there was confirmation that RAH was losing flying to actual personnel/company performance. As far as the aircraft go you do realize that the Ejets were based in DEN right?
#106
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 110
Important things to remember:
1) Mesa is cheap
2) As much as the pride of Delta wants to think they are all about quality, price still matters.
3) Delta wants to shrink regional lift.
4) Mesa was the easiest target after cutting out huge chunks of others (Comair, ASA... more to come)
5) As much as everyone hates JO, he is good at what he does and will probably put up a good fight and possibly win.
6) Saying Mesa will lose cause you think you work at a better regional and you like to feel better than someone else shows how ignorant you are.
7) For every person who hopes Mesa will liquidate, someone hopes your company will liquidate as well.
8) I would bet there are more "fair weather" Steelers fans than Cardinals fans any day.
9) A drink count is the best idea yet.
10) Drink count - 6
1) Mesa is cheap
2) As much as the pride of Delta wants to think they are all about quality, price still matters.
3) Delta wants to shrink regional lift.
4) Mesa was the easiest target after cutting out huge chunks of others (Comair, ASA... more to come)
5) As much as everyone hates JO, he is good at what he does and will probably put up a good fight and possibly win.
6) Saying Mesa will lose cause you think you work at a better regional and you like to feel better than someone else shows how ignorant you are.
7) For every person who hopes Mesa will liquidate, someone hopes your company will liquidate as well.
8) I would bet there are more "fair weather" Steelers fans than Cardinals fans any day.
9) A drink count is the best idea yet.
10) Drink count - 6
You just lost all credibility with statement #8 I Suggest you go to Harolds(a Steelers bar) in Cave Creek(http://haroldscorral.com/steelers/). 4000 reservations and will have plenty of walk in fans as well. How many Cardinals bars are there in Pittsburg?
Remember the days where there were 40,000 fans at Sun Devil stadium(it holds about 77k) and 20,000 were fans of the OTHER team! Everyone in AZ has a favorite team, and it usually ain't the Cards! Cards are always the 2nd choice team for most in AZ. Hope the fall off the ban wagon doesn't hurt too many Cardinalites.
I actually like some of the Cards players and think they look very strong during the playoffs(as opposed to their last 1/3 of the season and the weak NFC West title), but the Bidwells DO NOT deserve a Super Bowl win.
What was this thread about again???
Last edited by RichieAshburn; 01-31-2009 at 07:23 PM.
#107
You just lost all credibility with statement #8 I Suggest you go to Harolds(a Steelers bar) in Cave Creek(http://haroldscorral.com/steelers/). 4000 reservations and will have plenty of walk in fans as well. How many Cardinals bars are there in Pittsburg?
Remember the days where there were 40,000 fans at Sun Devil stadium(it holds about 77k) and 20,000 were fans of the OTHER team! Everyone in AZ has a favorite team, and it usually ain't the Cards! Cards are always the 2nd choice team for most in AZ. Hope the fall off the ban wagon doesn't hurt too many Cardinalites.
I actually like some of the Cards players and think they look very strong during the playoffs(as opposed to their last 1/3 of the season and the weak NFC West title), but the Bidwells DO NOT deserve a Super Bowl win.
What was this thread about again???
Remember the days where there were 40,000 fans at Sun Devil stadium(it holds about 77k) and 20,000 were fans of the OTHER team! Everyone in AZ has a favorite team, and it usually ain't the Cards! Cards are always the 2nd choice team for most in AZ. Hope the fall off the ban wagon doesn't hurt too many Cardinalites.
I actually like some of the Cards players and think they look very strong during the playoffs(as opposed to their last 1/3 of the season and the weak NFC West title), but the Bidwells DO NOT deserve a Super Bowl win.
What was this thread about again???
#108
United States Court of Appeals
For you guys who keep asking about the Delta / Mesa injunction appeal decision, I do not think a decision has been reached yet. You can check the United States Court of Appeals, Eleventh Circuit website for updates. Click on Opinions to see if an opinion has been issued. I would think if decision has been reach, an opinion would be published.
Good Luck to All
P.S. My crappy regional if better than your crappy regional. Oh, I forget, I'm furloughed, I do not have a regional
Good Luck to All
P.S. My crappy regional if better than your crappy regional. Oh, I forget, I'm furloughed, I do not have a regional
#110
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 110
I never liked the Cardinals, but they have a great offense. We'll see if they old saying is true...A great defense usually beats a great offense.
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