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Old 07-17-2013, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by skyxbomb View Post
Their top guys are more senior than our guys. But I believe everyone else have similar relative seniorities. I wish we had the combined seniority list that ALPA has available to us. Our upgrade times are similar as well. I don't see any problem with the integration. Granted some of my old students went to PDT while I was still instructing and will bump me down now! Argh

And I'm sure they will have a fence built in to avoid training disasters.

Again obviously this is all based on fun rumors and speculations of our very real and worrisome future.
Very well said. Yes, fun talk, who knows what could happen... Rumors and more rumors.


Originally Posted by Sushi View Post
Sorry to interrupt the merger talk, just a few questions about PSA:

How long to hold a line in TYS?
Is it easy to move days off around, if you're willing to pick up other days?
Where are most overnights out of TYS?
During training, do you have weekends off?

Thanks for any answers, I'll probably have a few more questions. Hopefully you all don't mind my asking!
TYS and DAY are about the same right now... Over a year. People are ALMOST holding long call who were hired a year ago, and just beyond that a few build up lines. We haven't upgraded since feb which equates to little vertical movement other then attrition. As long as we have system coverage, trades are okay- you can trade reserve days with yourself. I've had holidays get approved off then random weekdays no for "operational coverage". In October we get FLICA which will make it easier to trade and see what's going on. TYS overnights are pretty much all over the system like any of our bases, though rarely are there any -700 lines. Those tend to be rather consistent as far as where we overnight with them. You do get training weekends off...though you'll need them to study.
 
Old 07-17-2013, 10:36 AM
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I wouldnt be so sure that an integration would go smooth at all. Look what happened to pncl and colgan merger. For some odd reason, an arbitrator decided that a bunch of year 2 colgan fo's should be senior to 5 year pncl fo's. There was no logic to it, just because some old crusty judge decided so. At that time, pncl had a much better contract and future, while colgan was a non union shop without a contract to speak of. My point is, we (psa) guys could get seriously screwed. And then, they start parking dashes and guess who's hitting the street? Psa guys. Im extremely hopeful that we stay separate.
What do you think our options are? Merge, PDT closes, or PDT gets spun off? I wonder which it'll be. I would think in any case no PSA guys will end up flying a dash due to training fences / new equipment. They'd be furloughed first I'd think. ..... Crap
 
Old 07-17-2013, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by PeopleMover90 View Post
What do you think our options are? Merge, PDT closes, or PDT gets spun off? I wonder which it'll be. I would think in any case no PSA guys will end up flying a dash due to training fences / new equipment. They'd be furloughed first I'd think. ..... Crap
I don't think we have any options as what ever happens is completely out of our control. I'm just saying, a merger could and probsbly will get very ugly for psa pilots. Yes im sure there would be equipment fences, but a dash guy is senior to an rj guy, and a dash gets parked, the rj guy hits the street and the dash guy get trained on the rj. Basically, if there is fleet reduction at PDT, psa pilots could be the ones paying the price. Just my thoughts.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:53 AM
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All we need now is for awac to buy pdt and psa to ensure their extension of flying beyond 2015 using their current cash in hand. The merger of the 3 will cause a temporary chaos and awac will file for bankruptcy. New American will then propose LOW pilot rates in exchange for larger aircraft. Probably a 2 for 1 aircraft deal.

Sounds familiar? Only problem is, awac is privately owned. Also it would depend on whether awac's investment and profit from airways stock will remain a separate entity from bankruptcy which I believe it is. The profit there alone (that their board already pocketed) will justify them putting awac lcc under bankruptcy since they won't have much cash on hand due to their recent purchase of two regionals anyway. Also will guarantee future profit in dealings with the new American.

Boy I should've became an airline CEO!

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Old 07-17-2013, 11:00 AM
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All we need now is for awac to buy pdt and psa to ensure their extension of flying beyond 2015 using their current cash in hand. The merger of the 3 will cause a temporary chaos and awac will file for bankruptcy. New American will then propose LOW pilot rates in exchange for larger aircraft. Probably a 2 for 1 aircraft deal.

Sounds familiar? Only problem is, awac is privately owned. Also it would depend on whether awac's investment and profit from airways stock will remain a separate entity from bankruptcy which I believe it is. The profit there alone (that their board already pocketed) will justify them putting awac lcc under bankruptcy since they won't have much cash on hand due to their recent purchase of two regionals anyway. Also will guarantee future profit in dealings with the new American.

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Very nice. You should've put in for the new VP position. On a serious note, if any of you psa guys have been bypassing upgrade, better take it now. If theres a merger, fences could make the difference between you staying a captain or becoming a Jr fo. Just food for thought.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:12 AM
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There is a link to the CEL (combined eligibility list) for PSA and PDT on your MECs homepage under documents. The list is sorted by DOH for the combined groups. It hasn't been updated since April 12' but would give you some idea of how a straight DOH merger would playout.

As a mid seniority FO at PDT I feel like I would lose some relative seniority in a DOH merge, but in IMHO DOH is the only fair option in any merger.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:16 AM
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I like how at the very bottom of this thread I see an ad for company paid CDL training with PAM transport, truck driving....earn up to 40,000 a year.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BSOuthisplace View Post
There is a link to the CEL (combined eligibility list) for PSA and PDT on your MECs homepage under documents. The list is sorted by DOH for the combined groups. It hasn't been updated since April 12' but would give you some idea of how a straight DOH merger would playout.

As a mid seniority FO at PDT I feel like I would lose some relative seniority in a DOH merge, but in IMHO DOH is the only fair option in any merger.
Could you PM me the list. We don't have that list on our website.
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Could you PM me the list. We don't have that list on our website.
me too please.
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Originally Posted by skyxbomb View Post
Could you PM me the list. We don't have that list on our website.
I don't know about PSA, but on my login I have access to both PDT and PSA' s MEC pages under the MY MEC/LEC tab at the top.
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