Colgan Q400 Crash Outside BUF
02-13-2009, 05:49 AM
#291
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Originally Posted by AirbusA320
Yeah, back in the old days I hand flew LearJets at FL 45.0. Had to make all the crossing restrictions in my head, no computers back then.
3 hours at FL 45.0, all by hand.
3 hours at FL 45.0, all by hand.
To use a tragedy like this to blow your own horn. I'm speachless...
02-13-2009, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by bluebravo
Update at 4am notes...
- NTSB will be on scene at 6AM
- 48 dead plus one on the ground perished.
- "direct hit" is being described on the scene. Superficial damage to surrounding houses. Direct hit on the home.
- Still a hot scene. Many smaller fires still going on. Fuel is mostly burned off.
- No data recorders recovered.
- No distress call made to tower
- Nothing recognizable other then the tail.
Hows the Q on the tail ice issue??
God speed, horrible news to wake up too. Have family in BUF too, better call and make sure they werent traveling.
02-13-2009, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Bullet130
Horrible. I Saw it on TV last night at the hotel and I couldn't sleep after.
02-13-2009, 05:52 AM
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Damn. Just damn.
All my best to everyone impacted. We've all been punched in the stomach to some degree.
All my best to everyone impacted. We've all been punched in the stomach to some degree.
02-13-2009, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Lowlevel
What do you want? A cookie?
02-13-2009, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by utedrummer
just by reading about the details this morning it "appears" to be the tail iced up. Scary scary situation to be in. In the EMB175 it has NO anti-ice anything for the tail because embrear didnt think it was needed, always scared the crap outta me and I always had it on my mind when we were getting ice.
I think this was a "natural" accident, but isn't it funny how various government agencies rule out terrorism before they could possibly know what happened?
02-13-2009, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mcartier713
Right, that's not what I'm saying... Those skills that could have quite possibly saved them probably deteriorated with their high times. How often do you hand-fly as a regional/mainline pilot?... What if their autopilot went out and didn't have the necessary skills to manipulate the airplane the way they wanted?... Sure you can keep the CDI centered with 2 engines, but what happens when you lose one over the marker w/ ice.
your right. I'm sorry. I'm done.
your right. I'm sorry. I'm done.
Even on the Jet we hand fly up to 20K and hand fly several approaches.
Good day and good luck. My prayers and thoughts are with all!
02-13-2009, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by mcartier713
Right, that's not what I'm saying... Those skills that could have quite possibly saved them probably deteriorated with their high times. How often do you hand-fly as a regional/mainline pilot?... What if their autopilot went out and didn't have the necessary skills to manipulate the airplane the way they wanted?... Sure you can keep the CDI centered with 2 engines, but what happens when you lose one over the marker w/ ice.
People turning this thread into a debate about skill levels should be ashamed! Lives were lost last night! Have some sympathy and a little class! SICKENING!
02-13-2009, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by mcartier713
I'm a 1000 hour CFI, and I don't know about you, but I've checked a lot of people out in our airplanes... And I can tell you that I'd trust my 800 hour CFI buddy in the front of an airplane over every regional pilot that I've flown with.
Seems the further you get away from low times you don't seem to retain those precious stick/rudder skills that got you there in ther first place.
Seems the further you get away from low times you don't seem to retain those precious stick/rudder skills that got you there in ther first place.
By your logic we'd all be safer with lower time pilots up front who have better stick/rudder skills? GMAB......I'm sure your 800 hr buddy would have done better than Sully.
To suggest crew experience at this point just highlights the lack of your own.
Every mishap is due to a chain of events, and multiple causal factors. We have no idea what caused this mishap - none, and any speculation as to causes at this point is not helpful to anyone.
Ignore the press, let the investigators do their job and we'll hear in due time.
02-13-2009, 06:03 AM
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The endless debate. I am sure Mozart had 5,000 hours of composition experience when he wrote Symphony #1 at 8 years old.
And yet a 20,000 hour pilot that I know perished in a similar fireball when his seat rolled back off the track during take off.....
Its not as directly proportional as you may think. Never underestimate the power of will and determination, education, and passion to help substitute for merely watching the clouds go by for 30,000 hours.
And yet a 20,000 hour pilot that I know perished in a similar fireball when his seat rolled back off the track during take off.....
Its not as directly proportional as you may think. Never underestimate the power of will and determination, education, and passion to help substitute for merely watching the clouds go by for 30,000 hours.
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