mrmak2

I am posting this here because many pilots on this forum are still closely associated with general aviation. The TSA has proposed an onerous program for large private aircraft which is not only unnecessary but extremely harmful economically to operators in places like Alaska. TSA is attempting to impose the same security rules airlines follow onto private citizens. If you have not already posted a comment on the TSA website please do so today- it is the last day (sorry for the short notice).

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rickair7777

The airlines are in favor of these changes, currently bizjet operators offer customers the added convenience of no TSA to the most lucrative customer demographic (First Class).

I'm OK with provisions to allow frequent flyers with known backgrounds to skip security, but I'm not so sure that four scary-looking dudes should be able to walk up, charter a G-V for cash, and board with whatever contraband they like. That thing weighs as much as a CRJ900...

I'm sure most operators are pretty conscientious about who they fly, but there will always be that one guy who lets the smell of money get the better of his common sense.

floydbird

This has nothing to do with people chartering aircraft; they are subject to TSA/security protocols....the LASP is applying commercial level security to people who fly on their own aircraft, and corporations who fly their own officers/employees...Yes, what TSA envisions is that, for example, any private individual who wants to fly onboard his OWN airplane (>12,500 lbs) would have to submit to a TSA check to board his own aircraft. Friends/family members...background check....officers/employees of a company on board company aircraft...background check...

BoilerUP

Since early 2002, charter operators using planes >12.5k MTOW have been subject to the Twelve-Five Standard Security Program.

What LASP aims to do is to basically apply those for-hire, common-carriage, air carrier policies to not-for-hire, non-common-carriage, non-air carrier PRIVATE aircraft. Unfortunately, the Thousand Stupid Arseholes can't comprehend that besides the aircraft utilized, the operations are night-and-day different.

The TSA is attempting to apply the FAA certification definition of "large" to their security policy, which is in itself flawed; a CJ2+ with a MTOW of 12.5k would not be regulated by LASP, while a CJ3 with a MTOW of 13,870 would; same goes for a Citation II (550) with a MTOW of 13.3k vs. a Citation II SP (551) with a MTOW of 12.5k. In the latter example, the airframe of a 550 and 551 are IDENTICAL, the only thing different is an AFM limiting the max takeoff weight. A much better threshold would be 30,000lb, which would exclude everything smaller than a 900XP (which has a lower MTOW than a Saab 340).

Using another mode of transportation in analogy, LASP would be paramount to applying commercial motor carrier regulations on you driving your personal car, with required stops at every weigh station and carte blanch for law enforcement to search your vehicle and even hitch a ride with you to "observe", against you will and that little thing called the Fourth Amendment.

Dan64456

Comment posted. I thought we were done with these police state measures? Now it only seems like they are getting worse.

lear 31 pilot

Disband the TSA, anybody who thinks a 12 dollar an hour worker is going to stop the next attack is dreaming, they did not stop 9/11 and dont tell me they were not the same people. This rule is just another example of some 50000 a year mini buraeucrats trying to impose their little police state ideas on the rest of us. Come on whats next background checks to fly a c172, dont put it pass these fools.

TheSultanofScud

I concur--Back to the drawing board for something effective that doesn't seem like the hangar-gestapo.